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What do Phil Hughes and Alex Gordon have in common?

Can one of the most hyped former Yankee prospects of the last decade be one of the most underrated pitchers entering spring training?

Simply stated, the former uber prospect, Phil Hughes, has never living up to the hype that made him Baseball America’s number four overall prospect in 2007.

Last year was a nightmare of a season that started with a severe velocity drop off with his fastball, only hitting the upper eighties. There were many speculating about a serious arm injury after shoulder discomfort. The Yankees never received a positive diagnosis on why his shoulder was ailing him. He simply ended up with the nebulous "dead arm". Many great baseball minds as well as some higher ups in the New York organization will admit that enormous innings jump from 2010 to 2011, is what led to his difficulties last year.

However, starting in last September, his velocity returned, hitting 93 MPH on the radar gun with frequency. During this past off-season Hughes has been on the most vigorous winter workout programs of his young career. While we can usually disregard the "Best shape of my life" stories, it is at least promising to hear that after returning from Fat Camp, Hughes shed 20 pounds of body fat while adding a significant amount of lean body mass to his 6 ft 4’/ 240 frame. All reports indicate that Hughes’ stuff looks very good entering spring training.

With A.J. Burnett being sent to Pittsburgh, the job is all but Hughes’ to lose.

The former centerpiece of the Yankees farm system is still a young arm that I strongly believe in. While the dream of him becoming an ace is long gone, the ceiling of a number two starter is well within bounds.

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I won’t bore you with the details, but advanced data shows that Hughes is most dominant and effective when he uses his curveball with more frequency then he did in 2011. As last year progressed, Hughes was throwing his fastball at severely higher rates then he did in 2010. There are simply no answers available as to why his fastball/curveball ratio changed so drastically. However, in his early throwing program, word has it that he will re-commit to throwing his plus curveball more, which can be a devastating swing and miss offering. As a result I expect the strikeouts to increase, building upon his 2010 campaign.

We fantasy baseball competitors, can have very short memories.

Just a reminder that just as recent as 2010, the twenty five year old righty won 18 games while striking out 146 in 176 innings. He ended the year with a 4.19 ERA and a 1.25 WHIP.

Before the A.J Burnett trade, Hughe’s ADP was 262. I have been monitoring draft boards after the A.J Burnett trade, and he has only received a one to two round bump after the Burnett’s trade. His earliest draft position thus far is 222.

There is obvious value to be had here. If I was drafting in a fifteen-team league and Hughes was available in the fifteenth round, I would pounce!

Like Alex Gordon, both these players went from to elite prospects, to struggling major leaguers, to oft-injured disappointments.

Gordon broke out in 2011, I am putting my money on a Phil Hughes breakout in 2012.

2012 projection: 170 innings, 150 K’s, 15 Wins, 3.80 ERA, 1.24 WHIP

Poll
How do you value Phil Hughes in 2012?
Hughes is done. Nothing but a set up guy
24 votes
Close to 2010 levels. 4.19 ERA, 1.24 WHIP
69 votes
Breaks out in the mold of Alex Gordon
50 votes

143 votes | Poll has closed

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This will make me reconsider my opinion on Hughes and move him up my rankings. Could be a nice #4 fantasy starter.
I hope we don’t start hearing stories about what Hughes did at “Fat Camp”.

by jintman1 on Feb 19, 2012 10:03 AM EST reply actions  

Fat Camp!

LOL, I was actually surprised they call it “Fat Camp”! I am seeing a great reality show!!!

by Markus Potter on Feb 19, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

MTV

actually already did one.

by smokeymcpots on Feb 19, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

CC

But Hughes, CC, Pineda were not cast member!!!

by Markus Potter on Feb 19, 2012 6:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Remeber that one time at.....Fat Camp?

Guess they weren’t offering a two for one so CC didn’t go. Hughes is a good call for a pitcher that could have value this year. Markus points out some things that kind of went under the radar and that was that Hughes’ velocity did increase, and did not seem to be a fluke. Markus bore me with the details, I am curious to have you think he laid off the curve. Was it control issues, was he focusing on trying to regain velocity of his fastball, or did throwing the curve cause stress on his arm?
Trading Burnett may have had to do with how bad Burnett was, as much as the Yanks have confidence in Hughes, just speculation.
Note: Huges won’t be 26 till end of June. Gordon turned 27 before 2011

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by FantasyNomad on Feb 19, 2012 10:28 AM EST reply actions  

Speculation

Nomad, I wish I had an answer for why Hughes steered away from the curve. There really is no way of knowing…
Blister? Confidence? Not enough separation between the fastball and curve to be effective, inflamed the shoulder, not breaking where he wanted it to break…I simply have no idea.
Wish I did.
Great point though on how the org sees Hughes. Dealing A.J was a big of an endorsement that that he could get…

by Markus Potter on Feb 19, 2012 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I like Hughes to bounce back

he is a solid late round pick, and should be cheap in auction drafts.

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 19, 2012 10:37 AM EST reply actions  

Garcia

or Garcia is the 5th starter and Hughes is a set up man

by tvators01 on Feb 19, 2012 10:47 AM EST reply actions  

Hughes

won’t be a set up man with Robertson and Soriano in the pen. He would be a long man at worst.

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 19, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Garcia

Garcia is nothing but depth at this point

by Markus Potter on Feb 19, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

$4+milion depth

that some pretty expensive depth, i know its the yanks and they can wipe with the 4mil but GArcia did have 12 W’s and a 3.62 ERA, last yr and they gave him 4 mil plus incentives, seems to me he’d make the perfect #5 starter for yanks, skip him whenever possible, they wont want to do that to hughes. I just dont see him bouncing back, but he’s had success in the past in the pen, and you do need more than 3 relievers on a team and its not like its unheard of for relievers (coughSorianocough) to break down and miss time

by tvators01 on Feb 19, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

November

The Garcia signing was made in November when the Yankees were planning to use Garcia as a #4 or #5 starter. Then Pindeda and Kuroda happened. Your right that $4 mill is very expensive depth, but he will indeed be the odd man out…

by Markus Potter on Feb 19, 2012 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I totally disagree

I think he’ll give you wins pitching on the yanks but I think there’s more to his “dead arm”. I think it’s the same deal as lackey in Boston where his elbow was junk but not bad enough for tj until this year. We’ll be hearing about hughes going for shoulder surgery by mid June maybe even may

by camthomas on Feb 19, 2012 10:47 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions  

Red Sox fan?

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 19, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

A player who is nothing like Hughes breaking out has no impact on his breakout

So I see no reason why you would compare him to Gordon. Why not compare him to Brandon Wood who was a top prospect and never broke out? The logic is weak.

If you want to say dumb things, you can't get mad when I call you dumb.

by dudedudedude on Feb 19, 2012 1:53 PM EST reply actions  

Agreed

Alex Gordon was bad in small samples, then great in larger samples in the minors, which is completely different than Hughes who simply had a noticeable skills decline.

"RBI’s does measure something – Wins."
-Bayonne Mets Fan on MMO

by Dandy Salderson on Feb 19, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Also

An Alex Gordon level breakout would be much better than those stats.

by HeLeftYouBagEnd on Feb 19, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Hughes

This is music to my ears Markus..if he pitches anywhere close to your projections – wow!!

by robg62 on Feb 20, 2012 9:33 AM EST reply actions  

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