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2012 Tiered Positional Rankings: Second Base

Yesterday we covered first base, and also explained some of the rationale behind the tiered ranking system. Be sure to check that out if you missed it, as today, we're diving right in.

Here's a reminder, though. This is a ranked list, but don't be too worried about placement within the tiers themselves. Those at the top are more highly thought of than those at the bottom, of course, but if you're splitting hairs about who is where in the middle of a tier, you're over thinking the process here. The point is that players within a tier are similarly-valued enough to merit inclusion within that tier. There might be $1 of draft value separating a four players within a tier, so if you think Player X is better than Player Y by that $1 or two, then it's likely you wouldn't hear me argue with you about it.

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Five-Star ($30+)

PLAYER POS TEAM
Cano, Robinson 2B NYA

Cano was my lone five-star second baseman last year, too. Dustin Pedroia is certainly capable of being up here as well, but between Cano's park and the lineup around him, I like his chances as far as being a guaranteed five-star caliber player better.

Four-Star ($20-29)

PLAYER POS TEAM
Pedroia, Dustin 2B BOS
Kinsler, Ian 2B TEX

As I said, Pedroia is certainly five-star capable in a standard league, especially since he swipes some bases. I'm just more comfortable placing him in the four-star tier and considering him in my head to be something akin to a 4.5-star guy. Ian Kinsler is also five-star material, but sometimes injuries get in the way of that. If healthy, he's going to be worth $30 or so, but guaranteeing health at that price is a risky proposition.

Three-Star ($10-19)

PLAYER POS TEAM
Phillips, Brandon 2B CIN
Weeks, Rickie 2B MIL
Zobrist, Ben 2B,RF TBA
Utley, Chase 2B PHI
Kendrick, Howard 2B,LF ANA
Uggla, Dan 2B ATL
Walker, Neil 2B PIT
Hill, Aaron 2B ARI

Phillips has the best chance of sneaking into the four-star value level here, but he just made it in 2011, and is more likely to be three-star going forward. Rickie Weeks is something of a poor man's Kinsler; he'd be worth so much more if he could just stay on the field, but even with that under consideration, he's still very useful.

If Zobrist's back issues are behind him, he's easy money for a $15-20 season at second base. He doesn't do any one thing excellently, but he does a little bit of everything well. Chase Utley is another who, if you could guarantee health for, I would feel much better about. Like Weeks, 650 plate appearances would be an easy four-star rating, but he hasn't approached that for two years now, and isn't getting younger.

Kendrick finally broke out in 2011, at basically the same moment many gave up on him ever turning into anything. It's a good lesson going forward, but don't be overzealous with your 2012 approach to acquiring him. He's good, but not markedly better than many others at the keystone.

Dan Uggla is likely capable of being a lot better than this, but as 2011 reminded us, aging second basemen with old-player skills are also capable of completely falling apart. Let's split the difference like he did, and project him for $15 or so. Neil Walker isn't a sexy option, but he gets the job done better than most. Aaron Hill completely fell apart in Toronto last year, but he rebounded a bit in Arizona, thanks to an easier division and a much more hitter-friendly environment. I've already put my draft picks where my mouth is with him, picking him up in expert mocks, so give him some thought for the later rounds when everyone else is focused on how awful he was in his old environment.

Two-Star ($9 and under)

PLAYER POS TEAM
Espinosa, Danny 2B WAS
Johnson, Kelly 2B TOR
Ackley, Dustin 2B SEA
Weeks, Jemile 2B OAK
Kipnis, Jason 2B CLE
Altuve, Jose 2B HOU
Aviles, Mike 2B,3B BOS
Murphy, Daniel 1B,2B,3B NYN
Raburn, Ryan 2B,LF DET
Roberts, Ryan 2B,3B ARI
Beckham, Gordon 2B CHA

Espinosa's power intrigues me, but so does his second-half collapse. I have faith in him being a useful piece, but I'm not going to spend what he was worth in 2011 to test that theory, either. Kelly Johnson completely cratered, but still had his uses last season. A complete rebound isn't necessary for him to be a two-star type, so be sure to bid low to stay pleased with the results. I like Dustin Ackley a whole lot, even if I don't like his home park. In an environment less-suited for pitchers, Ackley is probably a low three-star option for me. Jemile Weeks will rack up steals for you, but hitting in Oakland won't do him lots of favors. He'll need an exceptional batting average to stand out in a weak lineup in a pitcher's park.

Jason Kipnis has much better potential than being a two-star player, but he'll have to show us that before he gets handed a promotion to the next tier. Jose Altuve has the potential for a huge fantasy season due to his bat, but he's very young, very raw, and in the middle of a very bad lineup. Mike Aviles should pick up most of the playing time at shortstop for Boston, and if he does he should be able to produce $5 or more worth of value thanks to hitting in a park tailor-made for his doubles power.

Ryan Raburn is the kind of guy you would love to get to man second in an AL-only, but he's less appealing in mixed formats. He still has his uses, though, so don't sleep on him if you're stuck for a middle infield option late. Gordon Beckham continues to disappoint, but consider 2012 his last chance for redemption in regards to me being nice about his ranking.

One-Star (AL/NL Only)

PLAYER POS TEAM
Ellis, Mark 2B LAN
Giavotella, Johnny 2B KCA
Infante, Omar 2B FLO
Rodriguez, Sean 2B,3B,SS TBA
Hairston, Jerry 2B,3B,LF LAN
Casilla, Alexi 2B,SS MIN
Carroll, Jamey 2B,SS MIN
Barney, Darwin 2B CHN
Sanchez, Freddy 2B SFN
Tejada, Ruben 2B,SS NYN
Roberts, Brian 2B BAL
Hudson, Orlando 2B SDN
Downs, Matt 2B HOU
Baker, Jeff 2B CHN
Andino, Robert 2B,3B,SS BAL
Santiago, Ramon 2B,SS DET
Greene, Tyler 2B SLN
Izturis, Maicer 2B,3B ANA
Hughes, Luke 1B,2B MIN
Punto, Nick 2B BOS
Theriot, Ryan 2B,SS SFN
Keppinger, Jeff 2B TBA
Schumaker, Skip 2B,OF SLN
Kennedy, Adam 1B,2B,3B LAN
Turner, Justin 2B,3B NYN
Nelson, Chris 2B,3B COL
Wilson, Jack 2B,SS ATL
Guillen, Carlos 2B SEA
Burriss, Emmanuel 2B SFN
Herrera, Jonathan 2B COL
Donald, Jason 2B CLE
Valdez, Wilson 2B,3B,SS CIN
Getz, Chris 2B KCA
Adams, Ryan 2B BAL
Gonzalez, Alberto 2B,SS TEX
Lombardozzi, Steve 2B,3B WAS
Conrad, Brooks 2B MIL

As you would expect from this section, these guys are mostly $1 fliers, or the kind of second basemen you pick up in AL- or NL-only leagues to fill out some middle infield slots. Playing time is the key with almost all of them (especially Brian Roberts, who is in some kind of not-quite-dead yet state each spring). If they aren't projected to get much of it by the time draft season is in full swing, there's no reason for you to spend more than that buck on them, if anything.

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Ok I'll jump

And why/how is Peddy better?

by smokeymcpots on Feb 14, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

might he be

a Sawx fan?

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 14, 2012 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

It's possible

But i would still like to hear why.

by smokeymcpots on Feb 14, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 14, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I do think Pedroia is better

…in real baseball. Which is not what we’re ranking here.

by Marc Normandin on Feb 14, 2012 5:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok

So why in real baseball is he better.

by smokeymcpots on Feb 14, 2012 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Defense

If you want to say dumb things, you can't get mad when I call you dumb.

by dudedudedude on Feb 14, 2012 5:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

why because

UZR says so? granted i think Pedroia is a better defender but i watch Cano play ever inning of every game and he is far from a hack there and I would say he is better than average.

by smokeymcpots on Feb 14, 2012 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Cano is below average

Pedroia is well above average, that means a lot. Lineup and opportunity = RBI’s, not talent.

If you want to say dumb things, you can't get mad when I call you dumb.

by dudedudedude on Feb 14, 2012 6:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Defense, better baserunner

I mean, it’s close, don’t get me wrong. I would happily have either of them on my team, because they are both awesome.

by Marc Normandin on Feb 14, 2012 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Base running

Is an individual stat, give me the 30 more RBI’s every year that Cano drives in. In real life baseball would you want a guy who steals that MAY lead to a run or a guy that drives him in better.

by smokeymcpots on Feb 14, 2012 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

RBI's

Are completely reliant on the surrounding cast.

by Internet Bullies on Feb 14, 2012 6:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Baserunning

Incorporates a lot more than just steals.

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by Lloyd Christmas on Feb 15, 2012 5:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Those RBI

are why I rate Cano higher in fantasy. Because they are going to happen thanks to the lineup around him. In reality, that’s not Cano’s doing, and I don’t give him credit for being in a lineup and park that boosts his production. Ergo, Pedroia.

by Marc Normandin on Feb 15, 2012 7:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Fantasy-wise

it depends on your scoring, but I’d agree that it’s basically a toss-up. Pedroia will get you more steals, fewer HRs, and the BA, R, and RBI are close enough to flip a coin. In fact, in the Fake Teams dynasty league, with the 12th pick in the first round, I nearly flipped a coin between the two, but ended up taking Cano, then was totally prepared to take Pedroia with our 2nd-round pick simply because it seemed that he was falling that far for some reason, and it would have been silly not to take him, but he went directly ahead of us there. I’m still not sure we made the right call with Cano, since it’s a BB and OBP league, but I’d certainly be happy with either. I definitely don’t think there’s a tier difference between them.

by pooptallica on Feb 15, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm going to go ahead and be "That guy" that defends his own teams players. (look^^. I'm ashamed.)

But I’ll only say that Neil Walker/Dustin Ackley should at least be in the same tier.

Ackley and Walker were nearly the same hitter last year, but Dustin is younger and did it in a more difficult environment.

Ackley: .273/.348/.417, .340 wOBA, 117 wRC+
Walker: .273/.334/.408, .322 wOBA, 103 wRC+

Safeco is an issue (.245/.335/.399 at home) but I’ll assume that over a full season, being one year older and one year more experienced, that he’ll can up that to a more respectable .260/.350/.410 and I like Dustin for a .290/.370/.430 season. Hitting ahead of Montero won’t hurt either, compared to hitting with some of the Mariners from last season.

I know what Neil Walker will give me (mostly), and I think at best, it’s the same as Dustin Ackley. So that’s my only beef, either Walker should be one tier lower or Ackley one tier higher, but I am not overly concerned about it, nor do I think you did a bad job.

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by Kenneth Arthur on Feb 14, 2012 4:21 PM EST reply actions  

To be honest here

I almost put Ackley right with Walker and Hill, but wavered at the last minute. So you won’t hear me tell you that you’re wrong, since I am still somewhat on the fence.

by Marc Normandin on Feb 14, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

We’ve seen Neil Walker’s ceiling. We have yet to see Ackley’s, but I suspect it’s higher than Walker’s.

by pooptallica on Feb 15, 2012 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Cuddyer

Should be somewhere in here right? He played 17 games at 2B so he should have eligibilty there in most leagues. Hitting in Colorado should be helpful.

by bigtrain21 on Feb 14, 2012 5:00 PM EST via Android app reply actions  

Michael Young

had 14 games at 2b. Should qualify him in alot of leagues.

by smokeymcpots on Feb 14, 2012 5:03 PM EST reply actions  

Fair point

(As is Cuddyer). I used 20 games minimum in the previous season, but I should mention that they might be second base eligible when I get to their respective positions (for Young, next time he comes up, anyway).

by Marc Normandin on Feb 14, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

So...

Where would you rank them…
My main leagues use 10-game (this season or prior)
I’m intrigued at Cuddyer and Young at 2B :)

by CelticPride on Feb 15, 2012 9:26 AM EST up reply actions  

so

whatever happened to Rickie Weeks stealing a few bases here and there? I thought he was a shoo in for 20 last season. I watched a lot of Brewers games last year and he seems to get bigger every year.
I think Espinosa’s 20-20 potential makes him a 3 star 2bman here….I would take him ahead of Walker and Hill.

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 14, 2012 11:14 PM EST reply actions  

I like Espinosa's potential

I drafted him last year for about $5 I think. Ended up having to bench him in the second half when he just couldn’t get out of that funk. I’ll have a more informed opinion of him after seeing how his 2012 goes.

by Marc Normandin on Feb 15, 2012 7:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Espinosa

I don’t think his OBP develops enough to make him that intriguing at 2B.

by pooptallica on Feb 15, 2012 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm targeting Kipnis this year.

I think there is a ton of value there.

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by Lloyd Christmas on Feb 15, 2012 7:34 AM EST reply actions  

If you can get him late enough

I agree. Tons of value, he showed his potential in his call-up. And there’s nobody competing for his position at the moment. Love him as a sleeper, but some people might be looking to reach for him based on his limited showing last year.

by pooptallica on Feb 15, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed.

I worry about the reach on guys like this all of the time. Would rather give many of them up than overpay in those situations.

by Marc Normandin on Feb 15, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

You never know upCHUCK

With all the eyes watching on SBNation, I could be using ancient fantasy propaganda, also known as “I love him, you take him” . ;)

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"To every complex problem, there is an answer that is simple, easy to understand and wrong." – H. L. Mencken

by Lloyd Christmas on Feb 16, 2012 1:23 AM EST up reply actions  

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