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Smart Predictions for 2012

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Bold? Not really. Smart? Yes. Teams are listed in order of how they will finish within the division.

AL EAST

1) New York Yankees: Michael Pineda doesn’t live up to the expectations. Having no pitch to handle left handed batters will not bode well in division. The park is an issue, the competition is a bigger one.

2) Boston Red Sox: Kevin Youkilis lights it up. The Greek God of Walks avoids the freak injuries that have plagued him and performs well above his draft slot. They lead the league in annoying fans for the 364th consecutive season.

3) Tampa Bay Rays: Desmond Jennings is not Carl Crawford. A 24 year old lighting up the minors is nothing special. His HR/FB% came out of nowhere for that explosion in August last season. Less than 12 home runs, less than 35 SB's. Upton becomes the forgotten man and plays extremely well.

4) Toronto Blue Jays: 162-0, Brett Lawrie steals first base. Jose Bautista hits one opposite field home run and Brandon Morrow gets more double plays than last year. Arencibia leads the league in women. (Totally not a Blue Jays fan)

5) Baltimore Orioles: Brian Matusz is done. He doesn't gain his fastball velocity back and continues to throw batting practice. He joins Scott Kazmir for lunch.

Star-divide

AL Central

1) Detroit Tigers: Victor Martinez will be lost to a torn ACL in a freak work out accident before the season begins. They make a dumb move and hand Fielder a blank check. Doug Fister is overrated. He doesn't get the super soft schedule that he did at the end of last season and now has two bowling balls rolling around on the corners. Max Scherzer lights it up.

2) Cleveland Indians: Jimenez is an ace. He strikes out 200, throws 220+ innings and has a sub 3.20 ERA. His defense decides to get to a ball in play once in a while. Kipnis can't make contact with a beach ball.

3) Kansas City Royals: The outfield is atrocious. Gordon breaks up with the magical BABIP fairy and Jeff Francoeur remembers that he's Jeff Francoeur.

4) Chicago White Sox: Nestor Molina comes up mid season and is scary good. Brandon Beachy that can induce ground balls. Kenny Williams is fired for not understanding how rebuilds work.

5) Minnesota Twins: Mauer is the number 1 catcher once again. How soon people forget. This is the guy that lead all catchers in wRC+ from 2007-2010. Sure he's injured and he doesn't play catcher everyday, but you still get to stick him in your catcher slot when he's playing DH.

AL West

1) Texas Rangers: Hamilton is a top 5 player. Those freak injuries that occur for no real reason or leave any lingering affects are nothing to be worried about. He's one of the best hitters in the league, bar none. In other news, the entire team is really, really good, so draft them. All of them.

2) Anaheim Angels: Albert Pujols is better than everyone else combined. He teaches Vernon Wells how to hold a bat.

3) Seattle Mariners: Felix Hernandez is a top 3 pitcher. He is no longer the sexy pick like Clayton Kershaw or Justin Verlander because he has been good for too long. Charlie Furbush, that is all.

4) Oakland Athletics: Billy Beane manages to create a team with a negative payroll. Moneyball was inaccurate.

NL EAST

1) Philadelphia Phillies: John Mayberry Jr. and Ty Wiggington perform better than Ryan Howard would have in a full season. Cliff Lee is more reluctant to change hats than I am to switch my piece of Stride gum.

2) Atlanta Braves: Kris Medlen wins a spot in the starting rotation. He was Brandon Beachy before there was Brandon Beachy. He is still better than Julio Teheran and Randall Delgado. Craig Kimbrel is over drafted by 60 spots.

3) Washington Nationals: Wilson Ramos is the most overrated fantasy catcher. People assume progression is linear. He’s a great feel good story after what happened to him this offseason, but that doesn’t make him an instant superstar. Drew Storen is also over drafted by 60 spots.

4) Miami Marlins: Hanley Ramirez has an absolutely huge season. Mike Stanton hits 35 home runs, a great figure but everyone is mad at him because they spent more than they should have to acquire his services. Logan Morrison gets an endorsement deal with twitter.

5) New York Mets: Lucas Duda changes his name to Lucas Dud. Everyone’s sleeper pick is climbing draft boards and is losing all of his potential surplus value. He’s not that good.

NL Central

1) Cincinnati Reds: Devin Mesoraco is drafted when he shouldn’t be. He’s a nice prospect, but in a time share, which is not what you want out of your fantasy starter. Joey Votto is the same player as Miguel Cabrera, and much better than Prince Fielder, but is still drafted behind them for some strange reason. Dusty Baker gets mad at Walt Jocketty for not giving him any young arms to destroy.

2) St. Louis Cardinals: Lance Berkman is the second best 1st basemen in the NL, while Adam Wainwright loses his control. The Cardinals switch to an email system in the bullpen, and here by ban all phone use by players.

3) Milwaukee Brewers: Zack Greinke steals the show in Milwaukee. Shaun Marcum is undervalued because of his playoff performance and Yovani Gallardo repeats his stellar 2011. Every guy in the world dreams of having a moustache on par with John Axford.

4) Pittsburgh Pirates: Erik Bedard is criminally underrated, and the rest of the pitching staff combines to have the worst ERA in the league. This team is bad, and apart from Andrew McCutchen, Bedard and Neil Walker, you should stay away.

5) Chicago Cubs: Anthony Rizzo is a good player, and outperforms Yonder Alonso. He doesn’t start in the majors right away, but is a more than serviceable first basemen when he does. Chicago fans are upset with Epstein and Hoyer for not delivering a title yesterday.

6) Houston Astros: If you draft someone other than Bud Norris or Wandy Rodriguez, I want whatever you had to drink. None of the hitters will be worth anything. Draft all Houston players in an NL Dynasty League for shits and giggles.

NL West

1) Arizona Diamondbacks: Paul Goldschmidt is good. You want someone who can challenge Mike Stanton and Jay Bruce to home run titles one day? This is the guy. He may not do it this season, but his raw power is phenomenal. This team is good, and the farm system has some nice pieces. They will be good for a few years.

2) San Francisco Giants: Buster Posey is not someone you will want to own. A catcher with mediocre power in a park that suppresses home runs is not a valuable commodity, especially when the lineup around him is terrible. Pablo Sandoval is worth owning, but the rest of the bats are not valuable enough to own this season.

3) Colorado Rockies: Neither of us have anything to say about them, they are boring, and boring must mean they are average. That logic is not flawed at all, because I said so.

4) Los Angeles Dodgers: Matt Kemp doesn’t have a 20/20 season, and you might think I’m crazy but hear me out. I don’t want him to have a 20/20 season, and that’s why he won’t. Dee Gordon goes crazy and hits .270, and therefore, has an OBP of .270.

5) San Diego Padres: A random pitcher comes out of nowhere to post solid ERA and WHIP numbers like one does every season in San Diego. Your guess is as good as mine as to who that is, since anyone can be good in PETCO. Maybin is worth owning, Headley is solid but not great and the rest of the offense is well below average. Stay away.

The awards are separated since he is absolutely insane and I am not (or so the guy inside my head tells me).

msufan23

AL Rookie of the Year: Yu Darvish

AL Cy Young: Felix Hernandez

AL MVP: Miguel Cabrera

NL Rookie of the Year: Bryce Harper

NL Cy Young: Roy Halladay

NL MVP: Justin Upton

dudedudedude

AL Rookie of the Year: Yu Darvish

AL Cy Young: Yu Darvish

AL MVP: Jose Bautista

NL Rookie of the Year: Trevor Bauer

NL Cy Young: Zack Greinke

NL MVP: Joey Votto

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Smart beats Bold 99.9% of the time

"You think our war drill is something now. Next year is going to be fist fighting."- Tom Izzo
Go Spartans

by msufan23 on Jan 31, 2012 11:07 PM EST reply actions  

as it should

otherwise it’s not.

good stuff here…….I know one prediction that will be very wrong:)

My article was written to make people think about some things that could happen, even if there is a remote possibility of it happening.

It was a fun exercise actually, and I will review it at the end of the season.

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jan 31, 2012 11:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I should rephrase that

Smart beats Bold 75% of the time
Smart beats Ray So Over The Top just to get Comments and Views 99.9% of the time.

Its Bold to say a guy like AGonzo could be the best 1B this year. Its not likely hes prolly in the 4-6 range but its possible.

Its Dumb to say Carlos Sanatana, Wilson Ramos, and Jesus Montero could all be better or as good as Pujols. Three Catchers that have never had a season better then one of the best players in the last 10-15 years

"You think our war drill is something now. Next year is going to be fist fighting."- Tom Izzo
Go Spartans

by msufan23 on Jan 31, 2012 11:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I forgot

Pujols is GOD and he will never haver a bad year

silly me

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 1, 2012 5:57 AM EST up reply actions  

fWAR

the list of players who had a higher fWAR than Pujols last year included names like Alex Avila and Howie Kendrick, so, yes, one of Ramos, Santana and Montero could have better seasons than Pujols.
Remember, they were Bold predictions, not what I think will happen. It was what COULD happen.

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2011&month=0&season1=2011&ind=0

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 1, 2012 8:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Except Avila was living off an insane BABIP

If you want to predict a down season from Pujols and insane BABIP from catchers, that’s pretty foolish.

If you want to say dumb things, you can't get mad when I call you dumb.

by dudedudedude on Feb 1, 2012 12:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

insane or not

he had the better fWAR, a stat you throw out all the time.

And let’s get the prediction straight…..AGAIN…..it was a bold prediction.

Could a catcher perform better than Pujols in 2012? it could happen again. There were about 25 guys who outperformed him according to fWAR last year, and Pujols is a year older.

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 1, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Whoa

“so, yes, one of Ramos, Santana and Montero could have better seasons than Pujols.”

But if I go by your bold picks all will be better then or equal to him.

Like saying I think Det will get 75 wins, Cle will get 86 wins, Twins will get 75 wins, and CWS will get 82 wins. I think theres a good chance at least one of the AL Central teams finishes above Det

"You think our war drill is something now. Next year is going to be fist fighting."- Tom Izzo
Go Spartans

by msufan23 on Feb 1, 2012 7:57 PM EST up reply actions  

slim chance

but one or all could, that’s why I named the article “bold predictions”.

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 1, 2012 8:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Kipnis

Not able to hit a beach ball? I wouldn’t call that a smart prediction.

by sportsfreak2744 on Feb 1, 2012 12:06 AM EST reply actions  

I understand how you could think that.

but what you dont know is Verlander throws a mean beach ball

"You think our war drill is something now. Next year is going to be fist fighting."- Tom Izzo
Go Spartans

by msufan23 on Feb 1, 2012 12:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Deflates and inflates on command

If you want to say dumb things, you can't get mad when I call you dumb.

by dudedudedude on Feb 1, 2012 12:24 AM EST up reply actions  

ummmmm
Kris Medlen wins a spot in the starting rotation. He was Brandon Beachy before there was Brandon Beachy. He is still better than Julio Teheran and Randall Delgado.

as a Braves fan, I can tell you that no he is not.

by JoelGuzman'sScout on Feb 1, 2012 8:16 AM EST reply actions  

Terehan is insanely overrated

A straight fast ball and a weak curveball is not how you get hitters out. He gets way too much love for his age when it doesn’t matter all that much.

If you want to say dumb things, you can't get mad when I call you dumb.

by dudedudedude on Feb 1, 2012 12:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

You wrote this about Posey:
A catcher with mediocre power in a park that suppresses home runs is not a valuable commodity, especially when the lineup around him is terrible.

I think it applies to Mauer as well. Most overrated fantasy catcher: Salvador Perez.

by Robert L. Bishop on Feb 1, 2012 11:04 AM EST reply actions  

good point

on Mauer, as we don’t know how his injuries have affected his power, but we know the ballpark is a pitcher’s park. I don’t see Mauer as the #1 fantasy catcher….not this year or beyond.

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 1, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Most overrated fantasy catcher: Salvador Perez.

Are you trying to be sarcastic? Thats a ridiculous statement.

by Rduffiedc on Feb 1, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

He's popping up on sleeper lists all over the place

based on 1 month worth of work, which was buoyed by an unsustainable LD%.

Maybe most overrated was a bit of hyperbole, but I think he’s getting way too much attention. Looking at Mock Draft Central, I think Arencibia at 9 is being overdrafted more than anybody.

by Robert L. Bishop on Feb 1, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Meant to say this

The point I was trying to make is that Wilson Ramos is far from the most overrated fantasy catcher in the game.

by Robert L. Bishop on Feb 1, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

that was their way

of bashing my BOLD prediction, I guess. That and saying Kemp won’t have a 20-20 season.

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 1, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Except Mauer is one of the greatest pure hitters in the league

Posey is not. It like saying Juan Pierre is the same as Reyes because they don’t have power.

If you want to say dumb things, you can't get mad when I call you dumb.

by dudedudedude on Feb 1, 2012 12:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

pure hitter-sure

but he has middle infield power right now.

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 1, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I never said they were the same

but you’re using a standard for Posey that you won’t use for Mauer. What is it about Mauer that makes you think he’ll be the #1 catcher?

by Robert L. Bishop on Feb 1, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

He's a great pure hitter

He gets runs and RBI’s, regardless of his power, he’s a good bet to lead all catchers in average and he has power potential. He also gets in the lineup as much as anyone else in the league, as he plays 1B and DH when he’s not catcher. He’s a better version of Posey yet Posey is still going 30 spots ahead of him in drafts.

If you want to say dumb things, you can't get mad when I call you dumb.

by dudedudedude on Feb 1, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

He's also 4 years older and has back and knee issues

Last year in camp he had to have a shot in his knee for “degenerative changes,” just two months after having surgery. Mauer at #1 is a great bold prediction. A better smart prediction is that people will continue to overpay for him based on name recognition.

by Robert L. Bishop on Feb 1, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Let's punish a player for being in his prime instead of 24

We all know that makes sense. I still have yet to see something that accurately predicts injuries. Remember when Kinsler was injury prone? One healthy season and people ignore injuries, when the probability that he gets hurt is still the same.

How exactly are people overpaying for him? He’s the only catcher to live up to his draft position multiple times in the past 5 years. Every other catcher either had one good season and was over drafted in subsequent years or they were never any good. Now he has the ability to provide surplus value, that’s huge.

If you want to say dumb things, you can't get mad when I call you dumb.

by dudedudedude on Feb 1, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Says who?

It’s easy to knock a player down for this stuff, it’s hard to prove it.

If you want to say dumb things, you can't get mad when I call you dumb.

by dudedudedude on Feb 1, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

You're right, catchers recover from knee injuries all the time

He’s had two surgeries on that knee and he continues to have issues with it. It’s not about a propensity to reinjure, it’s about the lingering effects.

Also, I disagree that he’s the only one to live up to his draft position. Brian McCann has been the most consistent catcher of the last 5 or so years.

by Robert L. Bishop on Feb 1, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

What are the lingering effects?

Are you able to examine his knee?

McCann has been consistent, but it does not mean he lived up to his draft position, it just meant he was constantly over drafted.

If you want to say dumb things, you can't get mad when I call you dumb.

by dudedudedude on Feb 1, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't be silly

Of course I can’t examine his knee. Are we ready to say that no injuries matter because we aren’t privy to medical records? He had surgery and then two months he had to have an injection because the cartilage continued to deteriorate. What other red flags do you need to see? I’m not ready to make a smart prediction that he can bounce back from that.

I don’t see your point on McCann. He’s been constantly overdrafted? How so?

by Robert L. Bishop on Feb 2, 2012 12:52 AM EST up reply actions  

So how can you say with certainty that he has lingering effects?

How can we say that about anybody? We have no idea how his cartilage is reacting to that shot. We can make statements about players injuries when they are of the obvious type (broken bones, bruises, ect.) but we have absolutely no way to judge a player based on “lingering effects.”

McCann will perform in the 120-150 range every season, yet gets drafted in the 60 range. Sure, he’s consistent but it doesn’t mean he was worth the investment.

If you want to say dumb things, you can't get mad when I call you dumb.

by dudedudedude on Feb 2, 2012 1:29 AM EST up reply actions  

The burden of proof is not on me to say that he definitely will have lingering effects.

Your position is that the smart money says Joe Mauer will be #1. My position is that his injury history, among other things, casts that into doubt. We absolutely have evidence that his knee injuries have lingered. What evidence do we have that he’s recovered?

Honest question: Do you really believe injury history should have no bearing on projecting a player’s performance?

by Robert L. Bishop on Feb 2, 2012 1:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Varies

It’s safe to say I don’t care about injuries as 99% of people out there. As soon as a player gets the injury prone label, his stock drops like a rocket. When his stock drops there is so much potential for surplus value that a player basically becomes a sleeper. Am I worried about Mauer? Not anymore than I am about other catchers in baseball. Players get hurt, there’s no denying that but I have no medical proof to show me that Player X is more likely to get hurt because of injury Y.

Every single player is vastly different in this regard. Lingered is past tense, and doesn’t mean they will in the future.

If you want to say dumb things, you can't get mad when I call you dumb.

by dudedudedude on Feb 2, 2012 2:06 AM EST up reply actions  

That is safe to say

Your faketeams dynasty draft definitely supports that you don’t buy the idea that injury history is the best predictor of injury future, with Mauer, Utley, Jose Reyes, Josh Hamilton, Peavy, Bedard, Bay and Francisco Liriano all on your team.

And, you’re right, you can’t predict injury, but you can avoid injury risk, which you have definitely not done here. I mean, the full stretch of your theory should probably include Brandon Webb, Ben Sheets, Justin Morneau, Rocco Baldelli, hey, I even heard Brooks Robinson is expected to make a full recovery from his 8-foot drop into a broken clavicle, so there should be a 14th Golden Glove in his future, right?

Why does a history of injuries matter less than a history of OZ-swing%? Why do you think Josh Hamilton overcomes all of his “freak” injuries this year to become a top-5 player? Do you think that Jose Reyes running way less in 2010 and 2011 might have contributed to him not having leg injuries? Your viewpoint on injury is so much less numbers-based than everything else you believe in, it’s hard to grasp.

I have weak ankles, both of them, from injuries sustained in soccer, basketball, and lacrosse when i was younger. I can roll my ankles easily just trying to hail a cab. I don’t have to quantify anything to know that that is how it is, and I have to be careful. Maybe you should create a metric for this, as it seems to be your weak point, statistically.

I’m not saying that players regarded as injury-prone don’t often drop below their likely actual value, but you seem to discount injury to a degree that is detrimental to your own valuation. Ron Shandler tsks sadly.

by pooptallica on Feb 2, 2012 5:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Hoping you're wrong on Jennings

I’ve heard anywhere from 20/50 for him with a .275 AVG to 10/30 with a .240 AVG. I’m hoping/betting on somewhere in the middle with 15/40 and .265-.270 with 100 R being no problem atop the lineup. Driving me crazy as he is a player right on the cusp of me keeping or not keeping in a league with the decision needing to be made pretty soon.

Interesting bets on Darvish. Wondering whether I have the guts to pull the trigger on him at the time it will likely be necessary to do so.

by Kevin Boger on Feb 1, 2012 2:26 PM EST reply actions  

Like it

And I really like it most because it doesn’t cause me to make a disgusted look on my face after reading each one. IMO you are way high on Darvish having him at MVP and Goldschmidt bc I think he’s going to have power but struggle to hit for a decent average for a year.

by HeLeftYouBagEnd on Feb 1, 2012 8:43 PM EST reply actions  

He's a ground ball machine

Having Beltre, Andrus and Kinsler on the infield is a huge plus.

If you want to say dumb things, you can't get mad when I call you dumb.

by dudedudedude on Feb 1, 2012 9:39 PM EST up reply actions  

step up

and post your predictions…..then we can discuss.

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 2, 2012 12:14 AM EST up reply actions  

But I can already discuss...

I’m not here to post my predictions. I’m here to read and comment.

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