Fantasy Prospect Starting Pitcher Rankings for 2012
Ray and I have been providing you with our fantasy prospect rankings for 2012, and you can find the previous positions here:
There are quite a few top pitching prospects who are either likely to be in the Majors to start 2012, or will be at some point in the season. I am not including relief prospects in this post, as there are likely to be a few who are among the group here that will end up in the bullpen, but have not moved there permanently as of yet. This set of rankings is for the 2012 season only, and I will provide my long-term rankings after the jump.
1. Matt Moore (TAM)
2. Yu Darvish (TEX) - If he signs, of course
3. Julio Teheran (ATL)
4. Trevor Bauer (ARI)
5. Brad Peacock (OAK)
6. Tom Milone (OAK)
7. Jacob Turner (DET)
8. Drew Pomeranz (COL)
9. Martin Perez (TEX)
10. Mike Montgomery (KC)
11. Randall Delgado (ATL)
12. Jarrod Parker (OAK)
13. Garrett Richards (LAA)
14. Manny Banuelos (NYY)
15. Danny Hultzen (SEA)
16. Shelby Miller (STL)
17. Tyler Skaggs (ARI)
18. Liam Hendriks (MIN)
19. James Paxton (SEA)
20. Robbie Erlin (SD)
21. Sonny Gray (OAK)
My thoughts on these rankings, as well as my top 30 long-term prospects after the jump...
- Matt Moore definitely looks like the real deal after his starts in the playoffs last year, and he seems like a lock to make the starting rotation after being inked to a contract extension this offseason. Ray opened up the debate for 2012 of whether you wanted Moore or Strasburg, but he definitely heads this list, and will likely be a highly sought after player on draft day.
- It remains to be seen whether or not Teheran or Delgado will make the starting rotation, but it seems like the team will have them both on the shuttle between Atlanta and Gwinnett as needed. Realistically, if there are no significant injuries to the Braves' rotation, they may not make more than 15 starts combined this year.
- Oakland now has at least 2 rotation spots open after the trades of Trevor Cahill and Gio Gonzalez. In all likelihood, two out of Parker, Peacock, and Milone will fill those roles. Clearly, they could vault up right behind Moore if they make the rotation out of Spring Training. Peacock and Milone seem like the most likely to make the team in my opinion, with Milone having the lowest upside for 2012.
- I would honestly be surprised if Banuelos was not pitching in the Bronx at some point in the season. The team really doesn't seem to have addressed their concerns in the rotation, and this could be part of the reason why.
My Top 30 Starting Pitcher Prospects, along with a few thoughts afterward:
1. Matt Moore (TAM)
2. Yu Darvish (TEX)
3. Julio Teheran (ATL)
4. Shelby Miller (STL)
5. Trevor Bauer (ARI)
6. Tyler Skaggs (ARI)
7. Gerrit Cole (PIT)
8. Jacob Turner (DET)
9. Drew Pomeranz (COL)
10. Dylan Bundy (BAL)
11. Archie Bradley (ARI)
12. Danny Hultzen (SEA)
13. Taijuan Walker (SEA)
14. Carlos Martinez (STL)
15. Jameson Taillon (PIT)
16. Jarrod Parker (OAK)
17. Martin Perez (TEX)
18. Manny Banuelos (NYY)
19. Robbie Erlin (SD)
20. Matt Harvey (NYM)
21. Zack Wheeler (NYM)
22. Joe Wieland (SD)
23. A.J. Cole (OAK)
24. Brad Peacock (OAK)
25. Jake Odorizzi (KC)
26. Randall Delgado (ATL)
27. Nestor Molina (CHW)
28. Jarred Cosart (HOU)
29. Noah Syndergaard (TOR)
30. Tyrell Jenkins (STL)
31. Drew Hutchison (TOR)
HM: Matt Purke (WAS), Chris Archer (TAM), Luis Heredia (PIT), Mike Montgomery (KC), Justin Nicolino (TOR), James Paxton (SEA)
- The name that seems the most interesting on here is Walker. He had a great year last year in the Midwest league, and another good season in 2012 could move him to the top 5 of this list regardless of who else is on it. But there is still the potential for a flame-out as well, as he only pitched in Low-A last year.
- The Blue Jays are loaded with a lot of high-upside pitchers, almost all of whom are in the lower levels at the moment.
- Outside of my top 20, you could pretty much mix up the order in any way you wanted and I probably wouldn't disagree. There's a lot of upside, but there's also the old adage: "There's no such thing as a pitching prospect." I tend to value pitching prospects who are closer or have shown more in the minors higher than ones in the lower minors, as they generally are more likely to make it to the Majors.
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Taillon
ranked extremely low on your personal top 30.
I’m not seeing him nearly that low on anyone’s lists, in fact hes usually paired with Bauer on most paid content sights… any reason why you think he deserves that low a spot?
I thought he had a really successful season considering his organization limiting his offs peed pitches and emphasizing fastball command with in a zone. 19yr old with that good of command now is pretty special with that stuff, this season will be a telling one for him imo.
I'm probably a bit low on him
He should probably be ahead of Bundy/Bradley, and maybe Pomeranz as well. Honestly, I think he might have gotten lost a bit as I was doing the rankings. That said, I would probably rather have most of the guys above him for my dynasty league. I probably need to do more research on Taillon.
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Taillon not as polished as thought when drafted
I know KLAW feels this way and I’ve read several other scouts who feel the same: They came away less than impressed with Taillon’s secondary pitches after hearing how polished he was in high school. Most of the projection still comes from the fact that he was throwing high 90’s as a teenager w/ an easy motion. I want to hear more about the breaking pitches developing before I’d buy him over guys much closer to the majors.
by Scott Clarkson on Jan 3, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
Pitts Org
is very notorious for emphasizing fastball command early on with their pitchers (im not sure if this is effective thought) but they limited Jameson from throwing his curve (his out pitch) and stressed spotting his fastball last year. Theres been many reports with this so i apologize for not posting links but they are readily available with google.
This season will be a telling one for him as i want to see him use his off speed more.
No Dellin Betances?
I thought he’d at least make your first list.
I’m very concerned that he might end up as a reliever. I plan on ranking him on my (brief) relief pitching prospect rankings in the next few days.
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Thoughts on Archer?
You think this guy has #3 upside or do you think he could be a reliever?
He kind of hit a tough patch last season, but rebounded well toward the end.
Haven’t read any specific scouting reports from this year, but I definitely do not like the walk rate he had in 2011:
80 walks in AA in 134 innings
6 walks in AAA in 13 innings
I think that there’s potential there, and the Rays can definitely give him time since they’re very well stocked in the rotation at the big league level. The strikeout rate leads me to believe that if he can’t cut it as a starter, he’d be able to transition to the bullpen.
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Peacock
What sort of numbers do you see out of him in Oak if he makes the rotation? His #’s from last year look solid.
Could be a cheap back end starter to grab later in prospect drafts.
by highheat on Jan 3, 2012 8:38 PM EST via mobile reply actions
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in fantasy drafts? I imagine he will be in the A’s rotation, no?
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jan 3, 2012 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
Hard to say
Their rotation consists right now of:
Brandon McCarthy
and some combination of:
Guillermo Moscoso
Josh Outman
Brad Peacock
Tom Milone
Jarrod Parker
Tyson Ross
Graham Godfrey
and they should get back Dallas Braden at some point during the season (not entirely sure when yet)
Realistically, I think they try to keep Peacock and Parker in AAA for at least the first month of the season, based on the idea of keeping their service time down.
If he were to be up all year, I could see 175 IP/sub 3.75 ERA/WHIP around 1.30/around 170 K
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I would take that!
I would think that those type of numbers would def have him in the top 5 on that list.
by highheat on Jan 3, 2012 9:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Brett Anderson will come back too and he is the best pitcher they have
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good point
when is he due back? midseason or later?
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jan 4, 2012 8:05 AM EST up reply actions
I'll have to look
But I feel like it’s not likely until late in the year or 2013 at the soonest.
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Should be around the all star break if his recovery goes well
Could hold him back longer since they won’t be playing for anything significant.
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Would rather grab him in the prospect draft
And save the few bucks I would otherwise spend on a #4/5 starter.
by highheat on Jan 3, 2012 9:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Thoughts on Arodys Vizcaino?
Stays up all year as 7th inning guy? Trade bait? AAA rotation? How far down this list would he fall? Thanks.
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by BrothersGottaAndyHug on Jan 3, 2012 10:58 PM EST reply actions
Unless someone gets hurt or traded, I think Vizcaino will be in the bullpen all year. The Braves have Beachy, Hudson, Hanson, Jurrjens, Minor, Teheran and possibly Randall Delgado ahead of Vizcaino for the rotation. Realistically, even next year he may be in the bullpen, as it could still be Beachy, Hanson, Minor, Teheran, and Delgado ahead of him.
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Kris Medlen is still there too
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time to trade one
of their arms for a bat.
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jan 4, 2012 8:06 AM EST up reply actions
They seem adamant that they will not do that. Not sure why though. Seems like if they give up one of them, they could get Adam Jones pretty quickly.
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