MLB Trade Rumors: Yankees Trade Jesus Montero to Mariners for Michael Pineda, Sign Hiroki Kuroda
by Ray Guilfoyle on Jan 13, 2012 9:08 PM EST
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PrintGreg Johns from MLB.com reports that the New York Yankees have traded catching (?) ...errr....hitting prospect Jesus Montero and pitching prospect Hector Noesi to the Seattle Mariners for starter Michael Pineda and pitching prospect Jose Campos.
No confirmation from team, but source says Mariners sending Pineda and Jose Campos to Yankees for Jesus Montero/Hector Noesi.
At first glance, I think this deal hurts the value of both Pineda and Montero. Montero is leaving the hitter's haven in Yankee Stadium and heads to Safeco Field, a huge pitchers park. As a result, Pineda loses value as well.
The fantasy impact of this deal and tweets from Jon Heyman and Buster Olney after the jump. The Yankees may not be done dealing.
Pineda went 9-10 with a 3.74 ERA, 3.42 FIP, and a 3.53 xFIP in 28 starts, covering 171 innings pitched. Pineda struck out 173 batters and walked 55, good for a K/BB rate of 3.15, which was good for 30th amongst all major league starters. He gave up 18 home runs last year, good for a 0.95 HR/9, which will more than likely increase as he will pitch at least half of his starts in Yankee Stadium in 2012.
While Pineda's stock takes a hit, I think Montero's does as well. As stated above, he leaves one of the best hitter's parks in baseball and one of the best lineups to one of the best pitcher's park and one of the worst run scoring lineups in Seattle. He obviously improves the Mariners lineup, but we will have to temper our power numbers for him going forward. One positive to take from this is Montero will play everyday, which I assume will be at DH, and he could see some time backing up Miguel Olivo at catcher. Here is more from Johns on Montero:
Montero is one of baseball's premier right-handed power prospects, a 22-year-old Venezuelan who hit .328 with four home runs and 12 RBIs in 61 at-bats after a late-season promotion by the Yankees. At 6-foot-3, 225 pounds, he would figure to split time at catcher and designated hitter for the Mariners and provide a middle-of-the-order bat for an offense that finished last in the Majors in scoring the past two years.
Johns is a little more optimistic than I am as he states above that Montero could SPLIT time at catcher. I have a hard time believing he will start more than 30 games at catcher in 2012. Dynasty and keeper league owners should pay close attention to how much time Montero gets behind the plate in spring training to get an idea if, and how soon, he will gain catcher eligibility in 2012.
The Yankees were busy this evening as they not only traded for Pineda, but they also signed former Dodgers starter Hiroki Kuroda to a one year, $10 million deal. As a Dodgers fan who has watched Kuroda pitch the last four years, this is a great signing for the Yankees, and they will be happy with him. They get a #2 starter to slot behind Sabathia and in front of Pineda.
As a result, the Yankees rotation will look like this:
CC Sabathia
Hiroki Kuroda
Michael Pineda
Ivan Nova
and one of A.J. Burnett, Phil Hughes and Freddy Garcia.
The Yankees have significantly improved their rotation evening, and are apparently looking for a bat to replace Montero in their lineup. So who will DH for the Yankees? This may sound absurd, but could they now go out and sign Prince Fielder? I doubt it, but you never know with the Yankees. They were quiet in the Mark Teixeira talks a few years ago and swooped in and signed him. And if I remember correctly, they did something similar with CC Sabathia.
Here is some reaction from rival AL East executives on the Yankees deal for Pineda, via ESPN's Buster Olney:
And this from Rany Jazayerli via Twitter:
Apparently, the Yankees aren't done dealing. This from CBS Sports Jon Heyman:
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Pineda’s value has to go up. Sure, he’ll be in yankee stadium, but he’s still a strikeout/control guy and now has a big offense behind him. He’ll definitely see an uptick in Wins, even if the rate stats take a slight hit. He’s not exactly an extreme fly ball pitcher. He turns 23 next week, so he’ll probably get better. The one unknown is how he fares pitching in the fishbowl that is New York.
I have Pineda in an AL-only dynasty league. I’m definitely excited about it. Of course, I have Montero in a mixed keeper league, and am not excited about his moving to SafeCo.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jan 13, 2012 8:15 PM EST reply actions
fair points
He should definitely win more games this season with more run support, but I worry that his HR rate may jump, as it was close to one in 2011.
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jan 13, 2012 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
Steal for the Yankees
As much as I like Montero as a young bat with upside on an aging Yankees team…. Pineda with that lineup behind him….. geeeeeez.
As a (still) Red Sox fan…..I would have been doing cartwheels if the Sox had got him.
If Montero stayed with the Yankees he could have been a .280 hitter with 25 home runs this year…. Pineda could win 18 games for the Yankees. If they need a power hitter there’s lots of first baseman/DH types to be had.
I don’t know much about the secondary prospects… that could swing the deal one way or another.
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jan 13, 2012 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
Hey Ray
I never really rank my pitchers……draft day I load up my lineup and grab a few top line closers….. then I pickup whoever is left to fill out my rotation. That’s been working pretty well for me…. matter of fact, it’s how I got Pineda on two teams last year.
BUT… I looked at the numbers….. I forgot how much he slipped in the second half. Of course an era of around 5 and a 1-4 record would have made him an ace on my Red Sox :)
Maybe this isn’t quite the steal it looked like at first glance.’
But if he keeps the era under 4… he’s going to do pretty well with the Yankees.
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jan 13, 2012 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
Wright?
Trade for David Wright and move Arod to DH?? Could be interesting…
by robg62 on Jan 13, 2012 9:09 PM EST via mobile reply actions
agreed
if he can stay healthy, he could be very productive in the NYY lineup. He has power to RF as well.
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jan 13, 2012 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
Where I think people are getting off-track with the whole "steal" notion for the Yankees.
I think its confusing a “steal” with the fact that the Yankees had the greater need. They NEEDED a young pitcher that was proven. Yes, they have two great pitching prospects, but they haven’t proven anything and may not be ready this year. They need Pineda and they have 0 need for Montero.
On the other hand, the M’s need a hitter and unfortunately, we don’t know how Montero is going to do. But if the M’s get a middle of the order hitter, how is this NOT a win for them? It’s absolutely what they needed to do. Montero has been compared to, coincidentally, “all over the field” hitter Edgar Martinez, which means he won’t be as hurt as much by the long left field of Safeco. I’m not saying he’s on his way to glory or that he’ll do just as good in Seattle as he would have in New York, but even as a Pineda LOVER, I love this deal. With our trio of pitching prospects, I feel no loss.
Campos is the interesting piece. He’s one of the fastest rising pitching prospects in the game.
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I like the deal for both teams
but, I think the Yankees did have a need for him. I am pretty sure he would have been their full time DH and could have put up some excellent power numbers in that lineup and stadium. Now they are rumored to be going after Carlos Pena to DH. That to me is a drop off in production.
But Seattle makes out well in this deal too as they get a young, controllable power hitter for the next 6 years. Hey, if Beltre can hit 25 homers a year in Seattle, so can Montero, right?
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jan 13, 2012 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
And I see Montero being able to go opposite field more often than Beltre.
Yes, Montero is useful as DH, but they can buy ANY DH they want too.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Jan 13, 2012 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
true
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jan 13, 2012 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
one more thing
I think they are saying its a steal for NYY because a few years ago they were willing to trade Montero for 3 months of Cliff Lee. Now they get 5 years of Michael Pineda, which should be pretty valuable. But, Montero will be just as, if not more, valuable for Seattle.
PLus, I think Smoak could have a breakout season.
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jan 13, 2012 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
Pineda vs Lee
I read the same and now really like this deal especially after signing Kuroda. Where does their starting rotation rank now in AL? I hope they do not sign Pena. They have masher Jorge Vazquez in AAA to spell Tex at 1B. Go get Wright…
by robg62 on Jan 13, 2012 10:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
who?
never heard of him. Where does he rank amongst Yankee prospects, Rob?
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jan 13, 2012 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
He’ll be 30 this year, but he did hit 32 homers last year in 118 games in AAA.
Not sure I see how they can even get a deal done for Wright – the bad press for the Mets would force them to try and get a ridiculous from the Mets. Unless the Mets can claim a victory in the form of a massive return, I don’t see how they can possibly trade him in city.
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Oh dear. Last team (other than SF) I wanted to get Kuroda was NYY. And awesome trade for the Yanks.
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yeah….I would prefer Kuroda over Harang and Capuano for sure.
Maybe Ned is just saving money to sign Kershaw long term and Hamels next offseason.
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jan 13, 2012 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
Do you remember when we get a new TV deal? This next offseason or the one after?
Because I heard talk Ned was waiting for that money and then make a hard run at keeping Kershaw, and signing Hamels and Hamilton to one-up the Angels. It’s a dream, for sure, but still, how awesome would that be?
As far as this season, it’s a shame Rubby got TJ, otherwise, I’d be quite fine with him filling number five, then Kershaw, Bills, Kuroda, and Lilly being the front four. I’d much prefer that over our current rotation.
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agreed
Rubby’s injury, and Kuroda a free agent, pushed them to sign Harang and Capuano.
I think the current tv deal expires this season, so the new owner will reap the benefits of the new deal. And, there was talk of a Dodgers cable station which would be much more lucrative long term.
I prefer LA not sign Hamilton. I think he will be more and more injury prone as he ages. Love him, but prefer he sign elsewhere.
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jan 13, 2012 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
Hamilton's always hit a soft spot for me.
His struggles are definitely something I can identify with, so I’d love to see him, Kemp, and Sands in our outfield. (and yes, I’m letting Andre walk next season under that thought line)
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I hear ya
great story and I hope they do a movie about his life…..would certainly be interesting. i just hope hope he stays on the right path.
I agree….let Ethier walk.
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jan 13, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
I would have liked the deal for the Ms
But WHY Campos for Noesi? I at least would think they’d want to raise a new potential ace to fill Pineda’s shoes… Noesi will probably become a reliever once Hultzen and Walker are ready, if not sooner.
For Fantasy value, I wonder if Kuroda will outperform Pineda. Pineda has upside, but Kuroda’s got consistency on his side (in both health and home/away splits) and a better GB rate.
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by The Congo Hammer on Jan 13, 2012 10:49 PM EST reply actions
yes
Kuroda is a very nice sign for NYY and he could outperform Pineda as he did in 2011.
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jan 13, 2012 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
From what I hearing, Cashman potentially likes Noesi more than Nova.
Nova might not be great, but if Nova was included in the deal, would people have liked it more?
Campos is so far away that there’s so much time to break down or flame out. And in other words, the M’s traded their FOURTH best pitching prospect.
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by Kenneth Arthur on Jan 13, 2012 11:11 PM EST up reply actions
sounds as if the Yanks wouldn’t include Nova and the M’s settled on Noesi. The real difference is that Noesi is ready to be a MLB starter now and Campos just finished SS A ball and is years away from the majors. that makes him more risky, even if the upside is there. The M’s need to replace Pineda in the rotation and Noesi can potentially do that, even if he’s a 4th/5th starter type.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jan 13, 2012 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
Cashman on the deal: RIIIIIIIIIGHT
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Brian Cashman stressed, “huge risk” in deal w/Mariners. “I gave up a ton (for Pineda). To me, Montero is Mike PIazza. He’s Miguel Cabrera.”
Sorry, but you don’t deal Mike Piazza or Miguel Cabrera for Michael Pineda. No way.
by the way, did Cashman correct himself there? First he compared Montero to a catcher, then to a first baseman.
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Don't sell Montero TOO short.
No, it’s not fair to compare ANY prospect to Miguel Cabrera. Sure, you could say that Bryce Harper or Mike Trout are the best of the best, but Keith Law still sees Montero as a top 10 prospect. Does he have the tools to be an all-star bat that’s ceiling is Cabrera? Yes. Yankee fans are not happy that they had to lose Montero… at all. Though they are happy they got Pineda and a very good pitching prospect, just like I’m happy we got Montero who is still a prospect with .300/.400/.550 potential
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by Kenneth Arthur on Jan 14, 2012 1:36 AM EST up reply actions
fair trade really
hav to give to get.
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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jan 14, 2012 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
the yankees do well in this trade
if montero cannot stick at catcher. if he becomes a 1b/dh the yankees would have had no room for him. if he turns into a adequate catcher he could become one of the best hitting catchers ever. also the yankees are stacked at the catcher position in the minors
also i see the yankees trying to unload burnett or hughes to get another bat to bolster the bench/dh position
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