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Explaining the Tier Drafting System

In previous years, I’d always list all the players by rank. I would end up with a list of 150-200+ players. While in theory this works well, I always feel that it is much better to be flexible in a draft. Plus, it makes for a much more difficult list to set up. I’m not sure why I never used a tier system for my drafting before; but now that I have I can definitely say that for myself it worked a lot better than any of my previous strategies.

While grouping players in tiers isn’t an original idea on my part, this is my advice on how to setup and use that type of draft strategy.

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For setting up a draft system, it really doesn’t get a whole lot simpler than this. The first step is ranking the top players in a position. How long your list is will depend on how big your league is. For a 10 team league with starting 3 receivers you would want to have 50 guys in your rankings. Whereas you would only need around 20-25 quarterbacks ranked for that league size.

I’m going to do demonstrate how I get this set up with quarterbacks, as they are probably the easiest position to work with. Here are my top 24 quarterbacks for normal league rules.

Side note: please don’t argue about who is ranked where, that really is irrelevant.  I’m just trying to show how I set up my system.

Vick
Brady
Rivers
Brees
Peyton Manning
Rodgers
Rothlisberger
Eli Manning
Romo
Matt Ryan
Flacco
Schaub
Kolb
Fitzpatrick
Freeman
Cassel
McNabb
Cutler
Ortan
Campbell
Stafford
Bradford
Sanchez
Garrard

For making my list, I found it very helpful to just google up around 5-6 different rankings just to get a look at what other people how saying about any particular position. In the end, you’re usually best off if you don’t just grab someone else’s list verbatim. It can work, but if you make your own list you are going to know it a lot better.

For the tier system you want to put players who you project to score a similar amount of points into the same group. What you want to end up with is groups of players who you would consider to be of equal (or very similar) value.  Here is how I would put these quarterbacks into tiers.

Tier One
Vick
Brady
Rivers
Brees
Peyton Manning
Rodgers (yes, I am biased against him)

Tier Two
Rothlisberger
Eli Manning
Romo
Matt Ryan
Flacco
Schaub

Tier Three
Kolb
Fitzpatrick
Freeman
Cassel
McNabb
Cutler

Tier Four
Ortan
Campbell
Stafford
Bradford
Sanchez
Garrard

I separated the players where I saw their value drop off. Between Rodgers and Rothlisberger, Schaub and Kolb, Cutler and Orton are where I saw the biggest gaps in value and that is what I used to make the separation for the groups.

This should give a general sense of how you would set up your draft board. Now your tiers don’t have to be equal in size, it just kind of worked out for me like that. I really suggest setting your stuff up in excel, it is a lot easier to organize lists in there than it is on a word type program. You should be able to get your entire draft board onto one or two pages.

Once you have it all set up, using it is fairly easy. My advice for this can be summed up in five words.

Be flexible. Go for value.

One of the best advantages of using a tier system is that it allows you to be flexible in your drafting. It requires paying a lot of attention to the draft, but it is completely worth it.

If you are using a combined list it’s often hard to draft for proper value. Consider the following scenario.

You need a runningback and a receiver; there are 8 runningbacks in your highest runningback tier whereas there is one receiver left in your highest receiver tier. You would consider the runningback to be a better player than the receiver.

If you were using a combined, list you would take the runningback.  However, though taking the top player in a tier can be good, it’s usually not the best strategy to use. Taking the receiver now, then waiting and grabbing a different runningback from the same tier would be the best move in that situation.

Generally, with a tier system you want to avoid picking someone at the top of the group, as you usually (but not always) will be able to get another player from that group with your next pick. Obviously if you are on the far ends of a snaking draft you will sometimes have to take a pick that isn’t a perfect value as you will be waiting 20+ picks in between turns.

Using a tier system puts you in a position to get the most value out of your draft picks. I’d definitely recommend doing this instead of using a list combining all positions.

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I'll explain

A lot of people are really high on Freeman, I’m not one of them. Honestly, I see the bucs having a down year, Freeman is a popular pick, but I can’t say I see his stats staying as good as last season.

Fitzgerald was actually fairly good last season, I think he is going to improve, plus buffalo’s defense is so bad that Fitz will have to pass a lot as buffalo will be needing to catch up most of the time. Part of me is influenced by the fact that I started Fitzgerald twice last season and both times he got 16-17 points for me.

Basically, freeman is a slightly better QB, but I see Fitzgerald getting a lot more pass attempts and therefor more stats. I did check and see that Fitzgerald actually had slightly fewer pass attempts than Freeman last season, but I see that changing this season. Either way, they both are fantasy backups to me. I wouldn’t take either as a regular starter. I’d wait till tier four to take my backup QB, as it really isn’t a high priority pick.

Just my opinion, I’m sure quite a few people disagree, but that is how I would draft.

What do you call an intelligent Packers Fan?

-An Oxymoron

VikingsForever.com - my blog

by VikingsForever on Aug 22, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

One thing to add

Last season Freeman had 16.5 points per game in 16 games.
last seaosn Fitzpatrick had 16.38 points per game in 13 games.

Almost no diference, kinda funny how everyone his high on freeman and low and Fitzpatrick.

What do you call an intelligent Packers Fan?

-An Oxymoron

VikingsForever.com - my blog

by VikingsForever on Aug 22, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Last year

I traded Ryan Fitzpatrick to an owner that was sandbagged with Sanchez and Henne at QB, after pointing out his statistics. Got Green-Ellis in return, which carried me to the championship. He’s a good QB, smart, and the Bills will be better this year than last (though still not good).

by pooptallica on Aug 22, 2011 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whats your point system for Qbs

In my league Freeman (15.3)
                     Fitzpatrick (14.2) in 13 games

by BLA@yc on Aug 22, 2011 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is the "normal rules" for yahoo

1 point per 25 yards
4 points TD pass
-1 per interceptions

What do you call an intelligent Packers Fan?

-An Oxymoron

VikingsForever.com - my blog

by VikingsForever on Aug 22, 2011 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oooooo i like

I think you just forced me to pick up Fitzpatrick

by The Chair of Knowledge on Aug 22, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great stuff

If you can compile your tiers using 3 or 4 projection systems, it gets even easier to spot the drop offs. Of course, you should add in your own analysis, but this is the best way I’ve found to accomplish this task.

An added benefit of this system is that by grouping players together, you’re less likely to get attached to a certain guy and go on tilt if he’s selected right before your pick. More than anything, this gives you a contingency plan if you can’t grab your ideal players.

by Robert L. Bishop on Aug 22, 2011 11:16 AM EDT reply actions  

I know the rankings are completely irrelvant but one question...

McNabb over Stafford and Bradford??? I, personally, would take stafford or bradford over mcnabb anyday

by The Chair of Knowledge on Aug 22, 2011 11:20 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm a vikings fan

I’m biased.

Also, I watched him at training camp and in both preseason games and he looks legit.
He is a mid level QB, the only reason he was bad last season is because Washington is where players go to die.

I have doubts on whether stafford can stay healthy, and this is only bradfords second season, but I could see both of them becoming good in the next few years. Kinda of like how Flacco and Ryan are gradually becoming more viable as fantasy starters.

What do you call an intelligent Packers Fan?

-An Oxymoron

VikingsForever.com - my blog

by VikingsForever on Aug 22, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Using Excel

Another great thing about using Excel, if you have any proficiency in it, is that you can paste in several rankings lists for each position (including your own ranks), then use a simple formula to calculate an average ranking for each player. If you graph that, the tier dropoffs become easily visually apparent, and you can compare the graphs for each position to see which has the steeper dropoffs, and value your positions based on that. It takes a little bit of time, but the quick-check draft value is pretty high.

by pooptallica on Aug 22, 2011 1:28 PM EDT reply actions  

...Wasn't really wanting to discus QB rankings.

But you guys aren’t being bad about so yeah,

Campbell above those guys is mainly for the same reasons as McNabb being above them.
Stafford and Bradford have much higher potential, whereas Campbell is more of an average, stable guy. Last years pergame stats. again they are grouped together cause they are very close.

Campbell 12.69 ppg
Stafford 17 ppg (3 games) Don’t think he can last a season.
Bradford 12.81 ppg

What do you call an intelligent Packers Fan?

-An Oxymoron

VikingsForever.com - my blog

by VikingsForever on Aug 22, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can't be biased when it comes to fantasy football (if you take it seriously)

if you really want to take your rankings seriously you cant add in the fact they play against your rivals. Rodgers is the second best QB in fantasy hands down he has proved it in back to back years that he is better than Brees, Manning, Brady, and Rivers.

by BLA@yc on Aug 22, 2011 8:29 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree with tier system though

I use it too its the way to go and since you asked us not to I wont comment on the rankings.

by BLA@yc on Aug 22, 2011 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

You have to be biased if you take it seriously

If I have a guy on my fantasy team, I cheer for him all season long, and I mean cheer.
However, Fantasy is fantasy, and real football still is more important.

I could never bring myself to be happy with a Packer player being good.

Generally, it isn’t a problem because Rodgers gets taken earlier than I ever draft a QB, and there are enough receivers in the pool to draft while ignoring Greenbay. Also GreenBay is the only team the only team that I blacklist so its all fine.

On whether or not he is good, well teams that make it to the Superbowl usually have down years. I think he is overated, they were a few lucky events from even being a play-off team.

What do you call an intelligent Packers Fan?

-An Oxymoron

VikingsForever.com - my blog

by VikingsForever on Aug 22, 2011 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ill agree to disagree

Ive had Romo for two years in a row and im a Giants fan, and I watched Romo rack up 20 points a week for me and still the Cowboys were 1-4 before he got hurt. Just because a guy gets you points doesnt mean the team wins. I understand the concept, but im going to take the guy that gives me the best chance to win each week whether he is on a rival or not.

by BLA@yc on Aug 22, 2011 10:49 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm cool with that

What do you call an intelligent Packers Fan?

-An Oxymoron

VikingsForever.com - my blog

by VikingsForever on Aug 23, 2011 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wanted to some get some feedback on my first draft of the season...

… This is a 16 team PPR league which also scores QB’s and team defenses pretty high. I split the team with a friend and we ended up with the 9th spot in the draft.

Here is our team

Matt Cassel
Ray Rice
Darren McFadden
Dwayne Bowe
Percy Harvin
Owen Daniels
Jordy Nelson
Ryan Longwell
Eagles D

Our bench

Jay Cutler
Demarco Murray
Danny Woodhead
Emmanuel Sanders
Jermaine Gresham
David Akers
Browns D

Overall I’m pretty happy, The first round was very unorthodox, first player off the board was Aaron Rodgers, then it went Arian Foster, Tom Brady, Michael Vick, AP, Chris Johnson, Drew Brees, Jamaal Charles and we ended up with Ray Rice at the 9th spot which I thought was an unbelievable steal in a PPR league. At 10 it was MJD, then it went Andre Johnson, Michael Turner, Philip Rivers, LeSean McCoy, Frank Gore and the 16th and 17th spots were Tony Romo and Matt Forte. Very strange first round.

With all the QB’s coming off the board a slew of great players fell, so we had quite a decision to make with our second pick… I really wanted Fitzgerald or Calvin Johnson (especially Fitz) with this being PPR but a couple of really good RB’s fell also and I made the 1st pick so it was my partners turn and he wanted Darren McFadden so thats how we ended up with him. Please give any and all criticism good and bad, I would love to hear some positive feedback on getting DMC at 23 overall but I was honestly bummed we didn’t grab Fitz there. This is an extremely deep league and I like our chance but would’ve been much more positive having a better number WR than Dwayne Bowe…

Formerly known as AlohaHalofan

by Erick Danielsen on Aug 22, 2011 11:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Awesome steal with Rice at 9.

but i really think you screwed up with your 2nd pick. I really like McFadden but Calvin Johnson was there??? He would have been your 2nd steal of the draft at 23. Calvin Johnson at 23 would be an incredible pick. If johnson werent there then I think McFadden would have been a great pick.

by The Chair of Knowledge on Aug 23, 2011 1:07 AM EDT reply actions  

like i said, it wasnt my choice...

… if I had complete control I without a doubt would’ve taken Fitz or Johnson. And to me Fitz is the better of the 2 but that’s all a matter of opinion anyway. Everyone I talk to about it says McFadden was a steal at that spot given how deep the league is so its not like im upset, but as you can agree… we would’ve been probably been better off drafting 1 of the 2 stud WR’s. What do you think overall though?

Formerly known as AlohaHalofan

by Erick Danielsen on Aug 23, 2011 1:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Rice was a huge steal

And McFadden was still a steal. You opted to boot WR a round back for that, which I find hard to argue with. You are, however, a little boned on WR, since you decided not to go for late-round, high-upside WRs like maybe Jacoby Ford or Danny Amendola, which is where I would have tried to make up ground after giving up on an elite WR in the early rounds.

Other than that, I feel you might have been able to grab a better QB than Cassel as your starter, but I don’t know what your draft looked like. In a deep league like this, you have two potential studs at RB, one probable stud at WR, and I love Owen Daniels as a value-pick TE this year.

by pooptallica on Aug 23, 2011 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

thanks for the feedback...

… im hoping to grab nate washington off waivers and be on the lookout for WRs. Main thing for us is for Rice and DMC to stay healthy.

Formerly known as AlohaHalofan

by Erick Danielsen on Aug 23, 2011 1:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Cassel and Cutler were the best available out there...

… the only other option worth a thought was Orton, then I think Colt McCoy and Ryan Fitzpatrick. Cutler has looked decent in preseason so far so we may end up starting him more often, but we’re definitely gonna have to play the matchups

Formerly known as AlohaHalofan

by Erick Danielsen on Aug 23, 2011 1:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I like Orton

At least better than Cassel and Cutler. He’s pretty clearly the starter and I think will have a good season, especially since their defense is so bad he may have to throw quite a bit. I like Fitzpatrick for much the same reason.

by pooptallica on Aug 23, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tiers are a MUST

Although I disagree where your players are ranked, that wasn’t the purpose of your exercise.

Tiers do present the proper value when you are deciding between different positions.

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by mahoney1213 on Aug 23, 2011 11:10 AM EDT reply actions  

not belittling

what VF did, but yahoo does the same thing for you yes its their rankings but still

by TINO24 on Aug 24, 2011 4:54 PM EDT reply actions  

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