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MLB Trade Rumors: Should the Dodgers Trade Andre Ethier?

MINNEAPOLIS, MN - JUNE 28: Andre Ethier #16 of the Los Angeles Dodgers hits a two RBI single against the Minnesota Twins in the fifth inning on June 28, 2011 at Target Field in Minneapolis, Minnesota. (Photo by Hannah Foslien/Getty Images)

Yesterday over at TrueBlueLA, SB Nation's Dodgers blog, Phil Gurnee published a lengthy article discussing who the Dodgers should trade and he included an exhaustive team by team breakdown of possible trade targets from each team.

In the comments section, someone opined that the Dodgers should trade outfielder Andre Ethier to the Phillies for Domonic Brown. I commented that I think this would be a good idea, especially if the return is Domonic Brown, as I do not see the Dodgers handing out contracts for Clayton Kershaw, Matt Kemp and Andre Ethier in the next year or so. I mention Kershaw because the way he is pitching, GM Ned Colletti would be silly not to lock him up before he hits his arbitration years.

And, if you have to choose between signing Matt Kemp or Andre Ethier long term, it is a no-brainer. You have to sign Kemp. His next contract will be huge, but I think it would be worth it.

More on the Dodgers trading Andre Ethier after the jump:

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So, I have laid out some of my reasons for dealing Ethier, but here are a few more. Ethier is having a good season, but I was surprised when I saw he was one of the players included in the vote for the final spot on the NL All Star roster. I am a Dodgers fan, but in no way do I see Ethier as an All Star this season. Andrew McCutchen should be on the NL team, but that is a topic for another day.

This season, Ethier is hitting .316-.383-.356 with 7 HRs, 42 RBIs and 42 runs scored. His K rate is up to 21.2% from 19.7% in 2010, and his walk rate is down slightly to 9.6% vs. 10.1% last year. What is more striking to me is Ethier's ISO and SLG rates over the past few seasons. Here is a breakdown of his ISO and SLG:

2008- .206 ISO, .510 SLG

2009- .237 ISO, .508 SLG

2010- .201 ISO, .493 SLG

2011- .139 ISO, .456 SLG

It is very obvious that Ethier is not the power hitter he once was, and one wonders if his finger injiury last year has had a lasting effect on his power. Ethier does tend to be a streaky hitter, but it appears to me the power drop is for real. 

I think the Dodgers should deal Ethier because they may be a few years away from contending, and they will lose with or without him. Plus, the Dodgers maximize their return by dealing him now rather than in the offseason or next season.

Which teams would having interest in Ethier? The Phillies, as mentioned above. I would love an Ethier fro Domonic Brown deal, but I am not sure the Phillies would do that. But, if they want to win now, and they are built to win now, Ethier would help that lineup. Brown has not been able to fill the loss of Jayson Werth, but Ethier could.

The Reds are another team that would have interest in Ethier and they are packed with major league prospects including catcher Devin Mesoraco, first baseman Yonder Alonso, outfielder Todd Frazier, third baseman Juan Francisco, and pitchers Travis Wood and Homer Bailey. The Dodgers could make a blockbuster deal by packaging Ethier, pitcher Hiroki Kuroda and shortstop Rafael Furcal in return for a package of prospects that included Mesoraco, Alonso and Wood or Bailey. 

A deal with the Reds makes the most sense to me, and I wrote about a possible deal involving Hiroki Kuroda going to the Reds in return for Mesoraco over at MLB Daily Dish a few weeks ago here. The Reds need a pitching upgrade, Kuroda fills that need. They also need an upgrade at shortstop because Paul Janish has a good glove, but not much else. They also need a legitimate leadoff hitter, and Furcal fills the need at shortstop and leadoff hitter. And the Reds also need a more consistent bat in the outfield, specifically left field, and Ethier could easily move over to left field for the Reds.

A few other teams who could have interest in Ethier are the Red Sox, White Sox, Tigers, Mariners, Athletics, and Diamondbacks to name a few, but if the Phillies or Reds would come calling, I think they could maximize their return with major league ready prospects or young major league talent right now.

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The Reds aren't going to take on that much salary, they are a small market team.

Furcal is owed another 6 million dollars and he has been really bad and injured.

Kuroda has a full no-trade clause. He is owed another 4 million also.

Ethier is owed 5 million this year, arbitration after the season could grab him 12-15 million next year.

So a “package” of Furcal, Kuroda, and Ethier could be as expensive as $30 million. The Dodgers can’t afford to eat salary, the Reds can’t afford to take on that salary.

Now, on a player by player basis, Furcal is almost untradable because he’s been so bad and is owed $6 million over the rest of the year.
Kuroda has a no-trade clause so we can’t even consider it a possibility unless he’s said that he would waive it no problem.

Andre Ethier is owed too much money and not performing well enough to warrant a return of Dom Brown. I do think the Dodgers should actively be trying to trade Ethier, but I don’t think fans should get their hopes up that the return is anything more than a salary dump.

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by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 8, 2011 12:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Ethier a salary dump?

Ethier was in the final vote for the All star team? I agree he isn’t performing as well as in the past, but he still has value in the trade market in my opinion.
The Phillies have the money to spend on Ethier. Ethier’s contract for this season is just 9.25 million, so he will be owed right around $3 million should he be dealt by July 31st. That’s peanuts for the Phillies, a team bullt to win now.
it has been reported that Kuroda would require compensation if traded this season. No trade clauses are put in so the player has a say in where he can get traded, but they can be waived. His name has been one of the more prominent names mentioned thus far, so I would imagine there is a decent chance he will be traded.
Kuroda’s contract is for $8 million this year with a $ 4 million signing bonus paid the next two years. In a market where there is not a plethora of pitching available, teams will take on that salary for his services.
Furcal is better than what the Reds are running out there now, even with Cozart up, Do you think the Reds want to go into the playoffs with Cozart as their starting shortstop? I don’t think so. They’ve need a leadoff hitter for several years now, and Furcal fits that bill.

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jul 8, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

salaries remaining

in these proposed deals would be around 1/3 of their 2011 salaries, not half, assuming they are dealt around July 31st.
Furcal has been bad becaiuse he’s been hurt alot….sure there’s risk there, but if healthy, he can help a playoff contender. Could be wrong..

Still can’t believe you think Ethier is a salary dump. He’s not Alfonso Soriano or Carlos Lee. He’s owed around $3-4.25 million the rest of the season. The team taking him on couild re-sign him next year, or non-tender him.

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jul 8, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

One issue that always comes up around trading deadline that I see is the fan of a team values his teams players more than other people.

Furcal and if you prefer, $4 million owed in the final 2 months, is more than the Reds are going to spend and in return they might give a B- or C+ prospect.

As for Kuroda, he could warrant a little more, but when no-trade clauses are involved, it always adds a little fuel to the fire in what the team has to give up in return.

Let’s not pretend that the team that acquires Ethier is just going to non-tender him because we know that just doesn’t happen. He’s going to get ~$12 million next year and that has to be considered.

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by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 8, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

could sign him too

or trade him…..if he helps the team go far in the playoffs, they almost have to resign him, no? If its the Phillies, they have contracts coming off the books that would allow them to do so.

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jul 8, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

never

underestimate Phils GM Ruben Amaro

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jul 8, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we can at least agree that nothing on the Dodgers future is certain right now.

We don’t even know who is going to control them after this season. They’ve got a lot of money coming off of the books and their payroll limit for next year could be really low ($80 million?) or maybe it can stay the same ($120 million)

That will effect a lot of what they do, especially when they consider extending players like Kemp and Kershaw.

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by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 8, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

true

but things could happen quick and MLB will probably do their best to make sure they don’t go through another season like this…..I hope. The faster McCourt sells the team the better.

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jul 8, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

All-Star final vote means nothing to me.

Ethier is a good player. But a good player who will still be paid $4.5 over the rest of this year (sure, $3 million if he’s traded at the deadline) and arbitration next year will put him in line for a raise closer to $12 million.

You already said yourself that the Phillies probably wouldn’t give up Dom Brown for Ethier, I’m just going one step further and saying they absolutely won’t do it.

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by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 8, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

the Phils

also said they wouldn’t sign Cliff Lee last off season, and countless other statements by their front office that resulted in the exact opposite of what they stated in the media.
The Phillies window for winning is a few years out, and if they determine Brown still has too much learning to do in the big leagues and he can’t help them, it is not beyond reason that he could be dealt.

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jul 8, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

like?

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jul 8, 2011 3:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Carlos Beltran.

And any number of corner outfielders that will become available as the trade deadline nears.

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by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 8, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

teh guy who is always hurt?

Heyman reported today that Ethier unhappy in LA…..hmmmmm

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jul 8, 2011 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Beltran > Ethier.

I think they should trade Ethier. You’re just not getting Dom Brown.

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by Kenneth Arthur on Jul 8, 2011 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

until he gets hurt again?

not if you look at the last 2 years…..

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jul 9, 2011 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Superior trade that netted Adrian Gonzalez

A deal that involves Domonic Brown with the dodgers could be for a dodger outfielder, a right handed Matt Kemp. Domonic Brown and a 2nd tier pitching prospect say, Julio Rodriguez or Jon Pettibone or a reliever like Justin De Fratus should net Matt Kemp.Looking at what was given up for Adrian Gonzalez, Domonic Brown offers 5x the value.

by Bob Melan on Jul 12, 2011 4:01 AM EDT reply actions  

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