Is This A No-Brainer?

by pooptallica on May 15, 2011 2:36 PM EDT

In my 12-team, long-term keeper league with 40-man rosters and a fairly complicated points-scoring system (not roto, not H2H) I have been offered

Carl Crawford and my choice of Hunter Pence or Trevor Cahill for Eric Hosmer.

The owner making the offer is out of the hunt this year, while I am right behind the leader. Now, I'm fairly set at SP, with Weaver, Hanson, Ogando, Hellickson, Wandy Rodriguez, Cueto, Latos, and Randy Wells coming off the DL soon, but Cahill is a stud and I could certainly flip an SP for something useful.

Pence, well, I know what I'm getting with him (.280, 25 HR, 90 RBI, or thereabouts).

My problem lies in the fact that I'm weak at 1B, with Trumbo and Napoli my only viable options after Hosmer (though Kendrys Morales will be a cheap freeze this off-season, provided he ever plays again). I'm really not looking forward to being gutted at 1B for the foreseeable future, and have projected Hosmer as my long-term 1B option for a couple of years now. I'm not thrilled to sell the farm for a chance to win this year, but is this trade really one I can say no to?

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I should add

That Hosmer, in one week, has scored more than half the points Crawford has for the season.

by pooptallica on May 15, 2011 2:38 PM EDT reply actions

hosmer is a great player but this is a no-brainer. Do the deal. If you didnt have good pitching I would say get cahill but since your set there get pence

by DWill and D12 on May 15, 2011 2:39 PM EDT reply actions

WHAT?!?!?!?!? how is that possible? try and explain the scoring system please

by DWill and D12 on May 15, 2011 2:39 PM EDT reply actions

Scoring System

Players accumulate points using the following system:

Hitters:

    * Hit – 2.5 points
    * At bats – (-0.5) points
    * Walk – 1 point
    * Double – 1 point
    * Triple – 2 points
    * Home Run – 3 points
    * Run – 1 point
    * RBIs – 1 point (No points for RBIs in excess of the number of total runs scored)
    * Hit by pitch – 1 point
    * Stolen Base – 2 points
    * Caught stealing – (-2) points
    * Double play – 1.5 points for 3B, 1 point for all others but 1B
    * Error – (-2) points
    * Outfield assist – 2 points
    * Catcher throws out runner – 2 points
    * Catcher win – 1 point (complete game & team wins)

Pitchers:

    * Appearance – 1 point
    * Out recorded – 1 point
    * Strikeout – 0.5 points
    * Walk – (-1) point
    * Hit by Pitch – (-1) point
    * Hit – (-1) point
    * Earned Run – (-2) points
    * Unearned Run – (-1) point
    * Win – 6 points
    * Loss – (-4) points for starters, (-5) for relievers.
    * Save – 6 points (No points for saves in excess of total wins)
    * Hold – 4 points
    * Quality 6-innings – 4 points (ERA under 4.00, and 6+ innings)
    * Quality 1-inning – 1 point (ERA under 4.00, and 1 – 5 2/3 innings)

Points are accumulated throughout the season, there are no “scoring periods” or anything like that. Also note that double, triple, and home run points are in addition to the 2.5 points for the hit.

Crawford, with his low BA, lack of power this season, and (thus far) low SB% (only 5 for 8) has scored 53 points. Hosmer has 27.5.

by pooptallica on May 15, 2011 2:56 PM EDT reply actions

lol thats pretty funny but do the trade nontheless. i have hosmer and i wished someone would offer me a trade like that lol

by DWill and D12 on May 15, 2011 3:32 PM EDT reply actions

you wouldn't

if you were in a long-time keeper league. Hosmer is gonna be a MONSTER.

by apoxonbothyourhouses on May 19, 2011 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions

If anybody cares

I made the trade for Crawford and Pence, but sure as heck don’t feel great about it.

by pooptallica on May 16, 2011 3:24 AM EDT reply actions

Wow!

I can very easily say that this is the most lopsided trade I’ve ever seen, ESPECIALLY in a keeper league. CC is in a funk but is going to be on a great hitting team for 7 more years!

by rmarx on May 16, 2011 9:37 AM EDT reply actions

A little more info

The team I traded Hosmer to already has Pujols and Miggy at 1B. He is now ready to trade Pujols, which will net him a tidy group of studs and/or stud prospects. This trade was definitely part of a larger, long-term strategy on his part. Pence is not keeper-level, so losing him, when he is out of the race this year, is nothing to him.

by pooptallica on May 16, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions

so...

basically he’s trading one keeper (CC) for another (Hosmer)? I don’t think anybody thinks that CC equals Hosmer….AND you also get another player. I think you and the other manager grossly overestimate Hosmer. He’s going to be a good-to-great player, but he’s nothing compared to CC in the Red Sox lineup.

Also, in a 12 team league with 40 man rosters, how does the other guy have Pujols, Miggy and CC?

by rmarx on May 17, 2011 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions

Keeper league

Is the important thing to remember when asking how he has Pujols, Miggy, and Crawford (CC is confusing, as he also has Sabathia). He’s had Miggy since he was in A-ball, Pujols since his rookie year, and traded for Crawford this offseason.

And Hosmer is a true 5-tool player just at the beginning of a stellar career arc. Willing to bet he will be more valuable than Crawford in our league as soon as next year, if not this year. He has better power, a better hit tool, slightly worse speed than Crawford, and is much younger. Also, don’t underestimate the KC lineup. Gordon, Butler, Aviles and Francoeur are hitting this year, and Moustakas and Myers are ready to contribute next year. They are going to put up runs.

by pooptallica on May 17, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions