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Five Aces, Which Three Do you Keep?

10 team h2h mixed league. I have Clayton Kershaw, Jered Weaver, Ubaldo Jimenez, Cole Hamels, and Tommy Hanson. I can only keep three, or four if I leave Andrew McCutchen unprotected.

I have different issues with each pitcher.

Kershaw has the Verducci effect with IP of 108, 171, and 204 the past three years but he is homegrown as I got him in our 07 prospect draft.

Weaver lead AL in Ks with 233 but has outlier written all over. His K/9 jumped from 7.42 to 9.35 and BB/9 fell from 2.82 to 2.17. This is all supposedly because he started throwing his curve more 8.6% to 13% in 2010. I don't know but the Halos should give him more run support this season.

Hamels had a bounce back year and lefties are sexy but I'm a little worried here too. His strand rate was absurd at 83% and his K/9 also spiked from 7.8 to 9.1 but he should have some favorable matchups against other #3 starters.

Jimenez I'm afraid, is also a one-year wonder. The three years before last season, his average ERA was 3.81. Last season it was 2.88 but nothing in his peripheral's jumps out at me. He started throwing a 2-seamer last season so maybe that was it.

Hanson apparently put on some muscle this winter after wearing down during the second half in 2010. You gotta love a young stud in keeper/dynasty leagues.

So that's my dilemma. Which TORPs would YOU choose and why?

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One thing that I think gets overlooked when selecting keepers is ADP, especially when it's a close decision

You should always consider how your leaguemates are going to view your players. Like drafting, a significant portion of selecting keepers is perceived value. The ADP order for this list is: Jimenez, Kershaw, Weaver, Hamels, Hanson. If you keep Jimenez but don’t really like him, can you get value for him in a trade? Probably more so than you could with Hamels. Also, is Jimenez or Hanson more likely to come back to you in the draft? Sometimes if I have a guy I like but I believe I can snag him in the first or second round, I’ll throw him back into the pool and keep a guy that comes in higher on the ADP charts.

As far as your individual pitchers go:

Jimenez was pretty lucky last year with his HR rates, but his K/9 has been steadily rising. In addition to adding a pitch to his arsenal, his four-seamer’s vertical movement (and value) skyrocketed. If he does regress, it won’t be a hard regression. He seems like a safe keeper.

You’re right about Kershaw, but his reduction in walks may account for the additional innings with no real increase in workload. He’s young and a stud. Gotta keep him.

Weaver really turned a corner last year. Are you willing to bank on that high K-rate as a representation of the true Weaver, or will it be an outlier when we look back? I honestly don’t know what to do with him.

Hamels is sort of the same song, second verse, though with possibly more risk. Don’t bank on the matchups; those always get screwed up after the first week anyway.

Hanson is going to rise on draft boards as news of his workout habits gets out, but these stories are always overrated. Did you know that Matt Harrison lost 30 pounds last offseason and told reporters that he worked out like he wanted to win the Cy Young? Yeah. Having said that, Hanson’s numbers seem to be more sustainable than Weaver’s or Hamels’ and his age seems to suggest room for improvement as he matures.

TL;DR – Due to perceived values and a look at the peripherals, I think Jimenez and Kershaw are slam dunks, and though I would lean toward Hanson as my third, I can definitely see an argument for one of the other two.

by Robert L. Bishop on Feb 6, 2011 12:21 AM EST reply actions  

agreed on McCutchen

he will run more this year with the new manager and could hit a few more long balls as he matures. He might hit 3rd in the Buccos lineup this year.
Re: the TORPS-Kershaw, Jimenez and Weaver for me. Kershaw was able to increase his innings last year and go deeper into games than he had in the past. He’s an ace who could lead the NL in strikeouts this year.
Jimenez is an ace as well. He may not repeat his 2010 season, but is solid and gets to pitch against the weak NL West lineups for a good number of starts. His ERA, FIP and xFIP have dropped in each of the last two years. He’s a big strikeout and groundball pitcher and those pitchers usually have a high degree of success year in and year out.
I like Weaver alot….his ERA improved in each of the last two years and his FIP and xFIP were 3.06 and 3.51 respectively, so last year was not a fluke imo.

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 6, 2011 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

agree with these three

actually, Weaver scares me the most out of this group. Career high in IP last year, and he had a good bit of luck—the 15.8 LD% stand out the most, and he still does not get as many ground balls as I’d like. If his strikeouts drop to his career avg and/or his HR/FB goes up, plus the Angels defense rapidly aging around him (I don’t put too much stock in Bourjos turning it around), I think he’s the highest risk regression candidate

by PrincetonCubs on Feb 6, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

thanks for the input

I’m going to try to trade Weaver and Jimenez for 1st round draft picks (13th rd technically) simply because those two are the most attractive as far as last season’s stats are concerned.

Jimenez – Only other SP’s with sub 3 era’s and 200 k’s were Doc Halladay, King Felix and Adam Wainwright (<he needs a nickname.)

Weaver – Led AL with 233 K’s, 2nd in MLB with 27 quality starts. That will be my sales pitch ;)

by dinordi on Feb 7, 2011 6:08 PM EST reply actions  

who is available?

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 7, 2011 8:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Just based on what you have (assuming no trades)

It’s a close call, but I would keep Kershaw, Hamels and Weaver. I’m too afraid that Jimenez’s WHIP will climb as his BABIP climbs, and Hanson is still a bit too inconsistent.

by guru4u on Feb 12, 2011 11:12 AM EST reply actions  

No trades yet

When all is said and done, I believe there’s a good chance Jimenez and Weaver will look back at 2010 as the best season of their respective career’s. I also believe that I can procure two 1st round picks by moving them, unless of course my fellow owners are reading this.

I love Hanson cause he’s young and has only gotten a taste of success. He is the only candidate on this list who has yet to have a monster year and I expect it to be coming soon. I don’t plan on protecting Hamels, I think he will fall back to me in the 2nd round.

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by dinordi on Feb 13, 2011 5:33 PM EST reply actions  

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