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MLB Trade Rumors: Albert Pujols, Francisco Liriano, Bryce Harper and Other Offseason Thoughts

There have been plenty of stories written about whether or not the Cardinals will sign Albert Pujols to a long term contract, and some are blaming Pujols for added a start of spring training deadline for the new deal. My response to them is the Cardinals had since the beginning of October 2010 to discuss his contract with him, and they know that Pujols probably would not want the contract discussions to distract him during spring training, so I think the blame should go to the Cardinals owners who have sat on their hands in the contract negotiations, or so it appears.

Speaking of Pujols, some baseball writers are openly questioning his true age. Add Keith Law and SB Nation's Rob Neyer to the list. Are there any others? Could the question about his age be the reason why the Cardinals are rumored to only want to give him a 7 year deal?

More after the jump, including Buster Olney's projection for Adrian Gonzalez:

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Last Thursday, Twins beat writer Joe Christenson wrote this article at the Minneapolis Star-Tribune, stating that the Twins could deal starter Francisco Liriano:

With six pitchers vying for five spots in the Twins starting rotation, one possible solution is trading Francisco Liriano. Speaking to team officials recently, I've been surprised how open they are to this possibility, but the logic makes sense.

I assume the reason the Twins are open to dealing Liriano is two-fold-1. money, and 2. Liriano is an injury risk. Plus, the Twins have pitching prospect Kyle Gibson who is close to being major league ready to fill his rotation spot should the Twins trade him. Gibson pitched at 3 levels in 2010, with his last 3 starts in AAA. He probably needs at least a half season in AAA before he is ready to pitch in the big leagues. 

It is safe to assume that the Yankees will get involved should the Twins decide to dangle Liriano on the trade market. Does Jesus Montero get the deal done? Or a package with Manny Banuelos and Brandon Laird?

The Nationals are looking at the possibility of Bryce Harper starting the 2012 season on the big league roster, and I wrote about it over at Minor League Ball today (scheduled for 3pm EST). Head on over and check out my thoughts on this development.

Speaking of the Nationals, starter Stephen Strasburg has already started throwing after having Tommy John surgery last summer. Some think he could get a few starts in September. Why the rush?

Buster Olney wrote a blog post on his 8 breakout players for 2011, and here is the list:

Shaun Marcum, MIL

Clayton Kershaw, LAD

Adrian Gonzalez, BOS

Brian Matusz, BAL

Rick Porcello, DET

Carlos Santana, CLE

Brian Duensing, MIN

Daniel Hudson, ARI

I agree with most on this list, but I think AGonz has already broken out, but Olney thinks he will have a monster season in the Boston lineup. Actually, if AGonz meets Olney's projections for him, he will be the #1 player taken in fantasy drafts in 2012. From his blog article:

Gonzalez has been an All-Star caliber player for awhile, but this may well be the year when he puts up crazy, ridiculous numbers. If he finishes the year at .320/48/145, it shouldn't be a surprise.

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Twins Bullpen

The Twins need bullpen help as well – might Joba be included in the package with Montero or Bettances or Brackman?

by robg62 on Feb 13, 2011 10:27 AM EST reply actions  

could happen

do the Yankees have someone to replace the overweight reliever?

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 13, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Brackman/Noesi/Phelps/Warren – easy.

by robg62 on Feb 13, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree that Joba would be pretty easy to replace, he’s essentially a 6th/7th inning guy with control issues – in that case, why would the Twins want him?

by RossTremblay on Feb 13, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

9.7K/9 and 2.76BB/9, 2.98 FIP, 3.34 xFIP – control isues? NYY definitely brought him up too quickly…A to MLB in four months in 2007?

by robg62 on Feb 13, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

True – though in 157 IP in ‘09 those numbers were 7.61 k/9, 4.35 bb/9. I’m not sure his 70 IP in ’10 would make those concerns disappear. I realize most of those numbers were as a starter, which I guess may only disqualify him from the rotation.

by RossTremblay on Feb 13, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

True – but one full year in the starting rotation is enough to make a judgement on Joba? If that were true, SP’s like Halladay, Beckett, etc would be in the bullpen wouldnt they?

by robg62 on Feb 13, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t know, I’m not sure I ever see Joba in a rotation again, I think he’s seen as a middle reliever with very little trade value.

by RossTremblay on Feb 13, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

D-Backs wanted him for Haren last year at the trade deadline, but NYY balked at trading Joba.

by robg62 on Feb 13, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Cashman

has had a bad YEAR, not just a bad offseason

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 13, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

JOBA rules

was not necessary, I guess. Just read that the Padres will not have an innings limit on Latos this year. And the Rangers have a different philosophy with their starters as well. Are teams starting to change their views on how they handle young pitchers?

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 13, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

I hope Rothchild and Girardi do the same…

by robg62 on Feb 13, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Latos

Isn’t it a tad premature to pass judgment on Latos? He made a huge innings jump last year and he tired at the end of the year. I’d like to wait another year before saying with any confidence that Latos is in the clear.

by Indian Bob on Feb 13, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Latos

was just passing on what the Padres have reported. Could signal a change in philosophy with young pitchers. I wouldn’t say he will repeat his 2010 season.

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 13, 2011 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Joba rules

What I was objecting to was not the Latos per se. It is more that you seem to suggest that the difference in organizational philosophy between the Padres and the Rangers on the one hand and the Yankees on the other hand implies that the Joba rules weren’t the right thing to do. I think that the Joba rules were completely the right thing to do. Now, Joba ended up hurting his shoulder anyway. So it didn’t work out. That doesn’t mean that it wasn’t the right call though. There are clearly different philosophies when it comes to keeping young pitchers healthy. But to say that the Rangers and Padres have figured it out and that the Yankees were wrong is in my opinion premature.

by Indian Bob on Feb 13, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Joba Rules

Joba injured his shoulder attempting to catch a thrown ball back from Posada that flew over his head- fluke accident indeed. The question I have is if Joba’s shoulder injury was so serious to take him out of the rotation, why hasn’t he had surgery the last two offseasons? Strange…

by robg62 on Feb 13, 2011 6:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Not sure he actually tired last year as much as was unlucky in Sept (and 1 Oct start). It was the month in which he had his best k/bb ratio. Also had an xFIP of 3.21, his second best month in that category. Def fantasy value there if others believe he “tired” as opposed to just poor BABIP and LOB%

by RossTremblay on Feb 13, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Okay

I’ll admit I got lazy with my research there. The innings jump means that he isn’t really someone I have on my radar, so i guess i just repeated what I heard elsewhere without checking the facts.

You are right that his September and October “struggles” seems to have been entirely babip and strand rate driven.

by Indian Bob on Feb 13, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

ummm

i think the Twins would want a higher rated prospect, don’t you think?

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 13, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Montero/Joba/Bettances isnt enough?

by robg62 on Feb 13, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

should be enough

I didn’t see that offered. they would probably jump on that offer.

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Feb 13, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Yep, Twins would accept that in a second -but the Yanks would never offer that much. Dave Cameron doesn’t even think the Yanks would offer Montero straight up

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/whats-francisco-liriano-worth/

by RossTremblay on Feb 13, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree – they shouldnt offer Montero except for a true Ace. If Liriano did not have injury issues, I could see them possibly offering Montero.

by robg62 on Feb 13, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

If Liriano goes

the AL central will be wide open. The Tigers and White Sox upgraded enough to close the gap and the Twins have regressed. With their bullpen and all their injury questions they could easily drop to 3rd in the division and maybe even below .500. I’m not a fan of what the Twins have done this off season.

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by Jeremy Miedzinski on Feb 13, 2011 10:31 AM EST reply actions  

Pujols

The issue of Pujols’ true age comes up every couple years. Pujols went to a large public high school in the Kansas City area. He also went to juco close by as well. I doubt he has skated this long on a fake birth certificate. Latin players with age issues are normally those signed to contracts after trying out in some team’s Latin American training facility. They just show up and claim to be someone else, and they have a reason to lie about their true age. The Pujols situation is much different as he actually went through a public education at a high school here in the United States.

Saying the above though, there’s always a chance Pujols (or you or me or anyone reading this forum) has a fake birth certificate. There are questions about the birth certificate of President Obama and George Bush certainly wasn’t as forth coming as he could have been regarding his whereabouts at a time (during the Cold War, no less) that he was AWOL from the military- as a fighter pilot! So anything is possible.

by acr on Feb 13, 2011 7:54 PM EST reply actions  

Ask Dan Rather about GW’s whereabouts – I think he got the story straight- oops I meant to say he got fired over the fictitious story.

by robg62 on Feb 14, 2011 12:47 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Though it's good to see Olney high on Kershaw

It’s hilarious to say that either of his last 2 seasons were not breakout seasons. Ok, I guess maybe he was saying breakout seasons for people like me and my colleges who only follow East Coast baseball.

"If we hit that bull's eye, the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate"

by Ivdown on Feb 21, 2011 6:03 AM EST reply actions  

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