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MLB Trade Rumors: Should the Dodgers Sign Prince Fielder?

Once the 2011 season ended for the Dodgers, GM Ned Colletti was quoted saying, when addressing the Dodgers needs this offseason, was that he wanted to acquire a middle of the order impact bat this offseason to improve the Dodgers chances of winning in 2012. There are really only two "middle of the order impact bats" that come to mind, at least my mind, when reading that. Prince Fielder and Albert Pujols

Seriously, the Dodgers COULD surprise everyone and sign Prince Fielder, or Albert Pujols, as ESPN's Buster Olney explained in his Friday morning blog post:

When the Texas Rangers were controlled by a bankruptcy court in the summer of 2010, Major League Baseball did a really smart thing -- it allowed the Rangers to make the biggest trade of the summer, for Cliff Lee, rather than tying their hands financially. The decision infuriated team executives, but in the big picture, Lee's presence made the Rangers a more attractive, more viable franchise, with a better chance for immediate success. And after the sale to the Chuck Greenberg-Nolan Ryan group, the Rangers would play in the World Series; little more than a year later, they are regarded as a growing power.

In light of that recent history, it will be interesting to see whether Dodgers general manager Ned Colletti gets the green light from Major League Baseball to go after one of the two biggest free agents in the market: Albert Pujols or Prince Fielder. The next Dodger owners won't be in place until sometime next season, in all likelihood, too late to order the pursuit of Pujols or Fielder -- two players who, if added, would immediately alter the perception of the team as a rotting franchise.

Colletti already has big business on the docket -- he needs to sign Matt Kemp before the center fielder becomes a free agent next fall, and presumably will try to negotiate long-term deals with Andre Ethier and Clayton Kershaw as well. But if he wanted to go after either Pujols or Fielder, he would need a go-ahead from commissioner Bud Selig.

Once the McCourt mess is cleared off the decks, the Dodgers should be in play for franchise-changing players like Pujols or Fielder, and we'll see whether MLB wants that to happen.

Here is one Dodgers fan that hope MLB decides to allow that to happen. And if you haven't heard, Dodgers outfielder and future MVP, Matt Kemp, is already recruiting Fielder to consider signing with the Dodgers.

More on the Dodgers signing Fielder after the jump:

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I ranked Prince Fielder as my 5th best fantasy first baseman in my early 2012 First Base Rankings, and here is what I wrote about him:

5. Prince Fielder, ?-Fielder's ranking may change depending on where he signs this offseason, but as many expected he had an on year in 2011. Fielder is notorious for having on years and off years, and 2011 was another on year, as he hit .299-.415-.566 with 38 HRs, 120 RBI and 95 runs scored. Here are Fielder's HR/ISO/SLG stats since 2006:

 

2006- 28/.213/.483

2007- 50/.330-/.618

2008- 34/.231/.507

2009- 46/.303/.602

2010- 32/.209/.471

2011- 38/.267/.566

An obvious trend if there ever was one, so 2012 may be an off year for Fielder, but his off years are still decent as he has averaged 31 HRs and 89 RBI, while in his on years he has averaged 45 HRs and 127 RBI. I think he will fall somewhere in between in 2012.

Fielder's career averages are as follows: .292-.390-.540 with 38 HRs and 107 RBI. Compare that to James Loney's career averages: .288-.345-.432 with 12 HRs and 80 RBI. Not much to discuss here.

Signing Fielder certainly won't be easy, as he is expected to have many suitors including the Rangers, Blue Jays, Nationals, Angels, among other teams. Fielder is also represented by the best agent in any sport, Scott Boras. Boras is known for signing his clients to the highest bidder, and is willing to wait till January to get his client signed. But Dodgers GM Ned Colletti has worked with Boras in the past, and has a solid relationship with him, so you never know.

Consider the Dodgers lineup, assuming they sign Fielder:

Dee Gordon, SS

TBD, 2B

Matt Kemp, CF

Prince Fielder, 1B

Andre Ethier, RF

Jerry Sands, LF

Juan Uribe, 3B

Tim Federowicz, C

Fielder in the middle of the lineup certainly makes the middle of the Dodgers lineup more formidable, but nothing is guaranteed, and the Dodgers may not be given approval to seek one of Fielder or Pujols, especially when you consider that they just signed Juan Rivera to a one year deal worth $4.5 million.

I am curious if paying Rivera $4.5 million means James Loney may not have a job in LA in 2012, even if the Dodgers don't sign Fielder. Consider the fact that the Dodgers have Jerry Sands to play left field, I don't see them paying Rivera that much money to be a pinch hitter. Either that or right fielder Andre Ethier could be trade bait. 

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Little different than the Rangers

Signing someone to a major deal is different than acquiring someone for prospects.

Would you really want Fielder? I’m sure everyone would love to have Fielder on a 3 year contract but it will have to be at least 6 years and 100 million. For a big player, that’s not ideal. The aging curve is significantly different on big players, which basically means Fielder could offer no surplus or even negative value for a team.

by dudedudedude on Nov 5, 2011 8:38 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

yes

he is just 28 years old and a 6 year contract takes him to 34 years of age. Jim Thome was/is a big guy and he was still playing first base at the age of 34 for the Phillies.
Foxsports Ken Rosenthal published a similar article last night, and he mentioned the Dodgers new tv contract that expires at the end of the 2013 season as another reason to sign one of the big sluggers free agents.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/Los-Angeles-Dodgers-Albert-Pujols-Prince-Fielder-Frank-McCourt-try-to-sign-big-names-110411

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Nov 5, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

question

at what age will Fielder start to decline?

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Nov 5, 2011 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thome isn't as big as Fielder

Thome was a big guy no doubt, but doesn’t classify for the big guy aging curve. Of course, Fielder might be an exception to the rule, but betting on exceptions isn’t usually a good idea. Bigger players tend to hit their peaks earlier on, around 24-25 years old, and seeing as Fielder has already past that, the likelihood of a drop off is more significant then say, Joey Votto. By 34, it’s easy imaginable to see Fielder pushing 300 pounds. A 300 pound player playing the field everyday is more likely to get injured. A 300 pound player is also not going to be a solid defender. I’d say an AL team has much more incentive to pursue Fielder, as he could just slide into the DH role, but even then, he could well past his batting prime as well.

by dudedudedude on Nov 5, 2011 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would much rather Fielder comes to the jays, but

I think it would help out the dodgers franchise if they signed him, I still think there roster has alot of holes even with Fielder but it would definitly help.

by Jt Malley on Nov 5, 2011 12:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh god no

Hope for Reyes instead of Fielder.

by dudedudedude on Nov 5, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

If i was a toronto fan?

Id much rather Fielder he has crazy power, and Reyes is good but we have speed already and he gets hurt way to much for me id take Fielder.

by Jt Malley on Nov 5, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reyes

I have a hunch the Braves are moving salary to make an effprt to sign him…..will post on this on Sunday.

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Nov 5, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am a Toronto fan

And signing Fielder would seriously make me doubt AA. Imagine an infield with Reyes and Escobar up the middle. Our lineup would have Reyes, Escobar, Lawrie, Bautista and Rasmus as the top 5. Fielder will be good for couple years no doubt, but we aren’t winning in the next couple years, unless we make some serious pitching upgrades. We need someone who can still provide surplus value in 4-5 years when Nicolino, Syndergaard, Hutchison and McGuire are all hitting their stride. Fielder is not that guy.

by dudedudedude on Nov 5, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fielder

Who are the comps that make you think he won’t be good through a 6 year contract that ends when he is 34? Don’t tell me his father. Prince is a much better hitter than his father. Cecil STARTED his career at the age of 26, Prince is 28 and already has 230 HRs and a career .282-.390-.540 triple slash line.
I think people are writing him off waaaayyyy too soon. Pujols is the guy you should worry about. In KLAW chat yesterday, he stated that there are enough people in major league front offices that question his real age, and he is 31 right now.

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Nov 5, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

like? I agree the weight will become an issue, but the bat is solid.

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Nov 5, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't have the exact research

Not my study but if I was guessing as to how found this out, they probably looked at Tango’s research on the aging curve from a few years back and looked at the subsets he created. Research said there is around 250 who fill that description.

Fielder might be an outlier, but that’s a lot of money to spend if he isn’t. People are complaining that Fielder is totally different and has to be an exception, and to that I say, so was Adam Dunn.

by dudedudedude on Nov 5, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fielder

his worst BA in his career is .261 which is close to Dunn’s career high….not a great comp. Fielder also doesn’t K 180-190 times a year.

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Nov 5, 2011 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is Saturday

the Ray v. Dude Point-Counterpoint lately or what? lol….all good.

But I won’t start my counterpoint with “Jane, you ignorant slut!” ala Dan Ackroyd from SNL years ago.

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Nov 5, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are one of the few people who are willing to discuss all aspects of baseball

Pretty helpful to get through the offseason months.

The average isn’t the point I was trying to make. Dunn was a valuable first base/DH for many, many years. I do agree Fielder is a better player than Dunn, but sudden drops off to this extent with bigger players happen more often than with the average player.

Fielder could very well prove me wrong, and I wouldn’t mind because he is a like able and talented player. Would I wager the franchises future on him? Not a chance. The last thing I’d want is to have a contract that sets the Jays back a couple years. I’m sure you would hate to have that happen in LA.

by dudedudedude on Nov 5, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

ehhh

at this point, I would take him over 5 more years of Loney. I think that with power down across baseball, he is that much more valuable to any team. His strikeout rates are below average for a power hitter and his walk rate is over 15% in each of the last 3 years.
I actually would like for LAD to sign him as I think he will produce through his age 34 season.

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Nov 5, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

btw

I have given some thought to hosting a fantasy baseball chat tomorrow night….not sure if I will or not.

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Nov 5, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Throw up a poll and see if enough people still follow baseball at this time

I’d show up.

Different question: You can have Reyes at 6/115 or Fielder at 6/115? Who are you taking?

by dudedudedude on Nov 5, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

me

I like power…..I would say Fielder, but I see your point. Just read the Fangraphs article on how Fielder will age. If this is the players involved in the study, it is flawed:

Toby Hall
Andres Galarraga
Cust
Humberto Quintero
Howard
Bucky Jacobsen
Bengie Molina
Carlos Lee
Randy Ruiz
Adam Dunn
Wily Mo Pena
Thome
Barajas
Randall Simon
Dmitri Young
Sandoval
Mo Vaughn

half of these guys can;t compare to Fielder’s level of production.

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Nov 5, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bucky Jacobsen??

who?
Quintero? has he ever played a full season?
Simon last how long in the majors?
Sandoval? has he fallen off a cliff?
Pena-never a regular
Ruiz? who?

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Nov 5, 2011 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't think that's the point

I’d say only Thome is better than Fielder but it’s the fact that their peaks came much earlier than the average size player. It’s not to say Fielder will turn into Rod Barajas over night, it’s to say that their might be no surplus value in his contract because his peak is shorter and comes earlier than a Longoria.

by dudedudedude on Nov 5, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

its certainly possible

but would you be surprised he hits 40 HRs and hits .290 in 2014?

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Nov 5, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Surprised? No.

But I would never put any money on anything like that. I’d think he’d be past his prime at this point however, and I don’t see LA or Toronto in my case winning the World Series at that point so I’d hold off on Fielder.

by dudedudedude on Nov 5, 2011 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

if STL

can win the WS and ARI win the West this year, anything is possible, especially in the NL.
Kershaw, Kemp and Fielder…..perfect together…..lol

seriously, in the NL, the Phillies won;t win 102 games again, and their team is getting older. I wouldn’t rule anything out.

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Nov 5, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

and you think Reyes is?

So what your saying is we wont be winning soon we need to think about the futur. I agree and fielder is younger and way less injurie prone then Reyes? so i really dont see what your saying here?

by Jt Malley on Nov 6, 2011 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Reyes has a better skillset

Reyes is a player who can hold value well beyond his peak seasons, where as I don’t see that happening with Fielder. When healthy, Reyes is a top 5 player in baseball.

by dudedudedude on Nov 6, 2011 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree

Reyes isn’t the best SS, so he can’t be top 5 overall. Tulowitzki is the best SS and he is better all around than Reyes.

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Nov 6, 2011 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

lol

I think there are 4 players better than Reyes…..Kemp, Braun, Miggy, Votto, others

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Nov 6, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Positional scarcity is real

This isn’t fantasy baseball here. Reyes plays a premium position and has one of the better bats in the league. Add in his speed and you have one of the best players in the league. If Reyes stayed healthy over the past 5 seasons, he would be getting a $200 million contract right now. He comes at a huge discount because of his health.

As for people better than him, Longoria, Tulowitzski and Bautista.

by dudedudedude on Nov 6, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

???

just 3? c’mon now……$200 million? No way he would get $200mm. Only a few players would get that kind of contract in all of baseball, if any.

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Nov 6, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Look at what he will get

You have a player who can put up 6 WAR seasons in 120 games. He will be getting paid like a 4 WAR player this offseason. Should he ever put together a full season, It’s not inconceivable to see 8+ WAR seasons. He is one of the few players in the game who can miss time and still dominate.

by dudedudedude on Nov 6, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Reyes

was a 6 WAR player when he was putting up his best seasons at the plate. He won’t touch an 8 WAR season.

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Nov 6, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

He is still only 28

These are his prime years, those were not.

by dudedudedude on Nov 6, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Fielder

must be in his prime years as well then, right?

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Nov 6, 2011 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

heading out for dinner

hope to be back for the AFL Rising Stars game and the ALA-LSU game at 8pm.

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Nov 5, 2011 6:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Fielder hates the Dodgers

Remember when he tried to invade their clubhouse to go after one of the Dodger pitchers? He’ll never make it in LA. Let him go to the Giants so we can have an even better rivalry with the FORMER World Champs!

by DodgersWill on Nov 6, 2011 9:40 PM EST reply actions  

yes I do

how long ago was it?

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Nov 6, 2011 10:49 PM EST up reply actions  

He was going after Mota

now a Giant, who if he stays, I’m sure wouldn’t mind getting in a few at bats against him again :)

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