Keeper League Trade: Worst Ever?

by Ray Guilfoyle on Jul 5, 2010 11:00 AM EDT in Baseball

ST. PETERSBURG - JUNE 27: Infielder Kelly Johnson #2 of the Arizona Diamondbacks turns the double play as catcher John Jaso #28 of the Tampa Bay Rays attempts to break it up during the game at Tropicana Field on June 27, 2010 in St. Petersburg, Florida. (Photo by J. Meric/Getty Images)

A couple weeks ago the following deal went down in one of my NL-only keeper leagues:

Rafael Furcal-$11 ($11 in 2011)

Dan Haren-$20 ($25 in 2011)

Brian McCann-$24 ($29 in 2011)

Kris Medlen-0

Skip Schumaker-$5

Mike Stanton-0

for

Jamey Carroll-0

Kevin Correia-$3 ($8 in 2011)

Kelly Johnson-$11 ($11 in 2011)

Lastings Milledge-$15 ($15 in 2011)

Jason Motte-$1 ($1 in 2011)

Humberto Quintero-0

In this league, free agent pickups are assigned a $0 salary.

The team that got all the studs was in 1st place before this deal, and is currently in 1st place, with a 6.5 point lead. I usually don't let others know about my thoughts on deals in this league, but on this one, I could not stay silent. I emailed the whole league letting them know about how lop-sided this deal was. To me, the bailing team got one keeper in the deal-Kelly Johnson, but he is at risk of being traded. if traded to an AL team, the bailing team got nothing in return for handing the championship to the first place team.

A few days after the trade was made, the bailing team dropped Milledge. Not surprisingly.

The bailing team responded to my email by saying he made offers to other teams and got rejected. He made me a similar offer a few weeks before this deal went down, but wanted 5-6 of my top keepers including Stephen Strasburg, Jason Heyward and Buster Posey.

He also stated that the league should ban all bail deals. I am not one to ban bail deals in keeper leagues, or to vote on deals in any league, but to me, this deal was beyond bad.

Am I wrong?

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When the non-bailing team....

gets Mike Stanton, that is a pretty good sign of a bad bail deal.

by Rad on Jul 5, 2010 11:22 AM EDT reply actions

No you are absolutely not wrong...

… Your league doesn’t vote to approve trades? The team that got all the studs was already in first to top it off??? How can any other team in the league be okay with this?

by AlohaHalofan on Jul 5, 2010 11:48 AM EDT via mobile reply actions

its a bail deal

and we don’t vote on any trades.
Note-the guys with 0 values are not retainable in 2011…..I should have mentioned that in the article. Even still…..terrible deal.
Other owners are not happy, but this league has a bunch of owners who really don’t communicate during the season, not many deals, and the offseason is crickets.
The league commissioner has an “I don’t care attitude” and may not be back next year. I wouldn’t mind if the league folded, but i do have a nice list of keepers that could put me in the money again next year.

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jul 5, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions

wow, well there you go...

… I wish you luck in the second half especially if the league ends up folding. It would be a shame though looking at your keepers below. Might be worth it to try and salvage the league like Johnny said, take the best owners and keep it going.

by AlohaHalofan on Jul 5, 2010 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions

I'm sorry, Ray,

but this league is unplayable.

The trade alone is repugnant, but your further comments in reply to AlohaHalofan make the league completely unplayable.

Cherry pick the best owners and start your own replacement league next year. Keep the franchise in good stead for this year and let the commish worry about backfilling a new manager for it.

If no one talks either before, during, or after the season, why are you sticking ’round?

by Johnny Tuttle on Jul 5, 2010 1:24 PM EDT reply actions

League

I’ve been in the league for about 15 years now and have won the league 3 of the last 4 years coming into this season. I went into the draft playing for 2011 and am in 3rd place (in the money).
My keepers for 2011 are Strasburg-$14, Heyward-$18, McCutchen-$24, Ethier-$25, Jordan Zimmerman_$1, Bumgarner-$4, Posey-$5 and Rasmus-$12, MIke Adam-$1, and Lincecum-$28.
I would not have minded if the bailing team had recieved someone like Ryan Howard instead of KJ, but settling for KJ was ridiculous. In a prior deal, the same bailing owner traded a $49 Pujols for Jair Jurrgens, Pedro Alvarez, Seth Smith and Ted Lilly, so he made a great deal there.

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by Ray Guilfoyle on Jul 5, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions

No one says

the commish and worst offenders get to keep the league. Keep your rosters, assume commish duties, and do an expansion draft for the new guys with the evicted owners teams/FAs as the player pool. You start even talking of such an extreme measure and watch the fur fly to right wrongs.

by Johnny Tuttle on Jul 6, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions

It's never easy

More than once I’ve had trades vetoed because I was being “taken advantage of” by trading some 35 year old all star for a promising rookie with upside. And usually (but not always) by the end of the season… it was a good trade that I missed out on. So who’s to say what’s a “bad trade”

But this one? TERRIBLE.

by Bob_24798 on Jul 5, 2010 5:10 PM EDT reply actions

Agreed

I still remember having agreed to a trade where I sent B.J. Ryan for the newly called up Evan Longoria, and it got vetoed because everyone thought I was getting screwed by getting Longoria. Guy who ended up keeping Longoria ended up knocking me out of the playoffs because of a hot week from Longoria if I remember correctly.

Clearly, it’s a pretty fine line as far as trades go. I don’t do any auction keepers at the moment, but that’s pretty horrendous. The part that would be most frustrating is that it’s a 15+ year league. Logic tells me that there’s probably a lot of good owners in that league who have been there for a long time.

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by Jason Hunt on Jul 5, 2010 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions

There's nothing wrong with "bail" deals

But you don’t give up your prospects in the deal. Stanton?
He got almost literally nothing back

by CelticPride on Jul 6, 2010 10:32 AM EDT reply actions

Worst ever?

I traded Scott Kazmir straight up for Tulowitzki in a Dynasty league. THAT was the worst deal ever!

The best deal ever, though, was when I traded Saltalamacchia for HanRam straight up. I have no idea what the other guy was thinking, unless he’s related to Salty.

by rmarx on Jul 6, 2010 11:18 AM EDT reply actions